Quote from: BobLawblaw on Today at 09:48:45 AM

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Worldwide evidence: 2,400,000 (vaccination side-effects <-- YOUR number) / 4,300,000,000 (total vaccinations) = 1 / 1792 = 0.056% of all vaccinated people developing any adverse reactions (even mild ones). 0.056%

I don't want to sound disrespectful, but we know there is vast underreporting of adverse events.

How many footballers do you need to see collapsing on the pitch, clutching their chests, before FIFA can't hide the problems any longer?

Have you heard about the situation in Gibraltar recently?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/christmas-cancelled-gibraltar-vaccinations-b966816.html

"Gibraltar has seen cases increase with 66 new daily infections reported on average - equivalent to 52% of its peak in January. The Rock has administered at least 94,469 vaccine doses so far which is enough to have fully vaccinated 140.2% of the country’s population."

I don't want to come off as cheeky, but it's arguable breakthrough infections are an adverse reaction.

Could you imagine the outrage of someone being traditionally vaccinated against smallpox, and contracting smallpox, to offer a different viewpoint?

Thanks for that information Bob, I appreciate it, and the entire manner in which you have handled the recent COVID-19 discussion. You are not being disrespectful at all.

About my calculations above, I just used Torque's own data (taken directly from his own post), so that there is no dispute in the source of the numbers. Surely, those numbers could be higher, I accept that.

I was not aware of the Gibraltar situation, will look into it.

I can understand that vaccines are far from perfect, I never claimed they were, because there's no such thing as a perfect drug. I just cannot buy the theory that this is somehow deliberate, though. That somehow the pharmaceutical companies have deliberately designed vaccines to cause side-effects, in order to kill or disable us. Pharmaceutical companies have lied to us and will continue to lie to us, as long as it affects their profits, power and influence, as do, routinely, all big corporations, governments, TPTB in general. But, in the midst of it all, what can we do to shield ourselves against this disease? I've suffered the ordeal of COVID-19 in January, it gave me hell. You went through it too, and as I recall it gave you hell too. Can you imagine being permanently disabled or even dying from it? You weren't and I wasn't. We survived it, sure, but was the risk of being unprotected worth it?

I don't claim to know the truth, far from it. What I know is that the internet is full of blogs and "news" sources claiming that the Earth is flat, all vaccines (generally, not just for COVID-19) are bad for us (Robert Kennedy, Jr., who is not even a doctor, is a pioneer in this misinformation), 5G is designed to control our brains, and all sorts of Hocus Pocus Harry Potter material for those naive enough to buy them. What am I to believe out of all this? So, what I do is examine my social circle, those cases I can personally verify, and try to correlate these with larger-scale data, in the hope of finding some sort of trend or pattern. I've had 10 deaths that I can recall, most of them old and frail people, but unvaccinated. Still, in the very same pool, there are many more old and frail ones (some in their 90s) who are vaccinated and NO ONE of them has died. To me, 10 vs. 0 is an indicator. It tells me something. Similar observations are reported by virtually all of my friends and relatives, and some WOers here (post 1, post 2, post 3).

Anyone, reading this, just do a survey in your own social circle, ask around and get first-hand, verifiable data. See what you find. Post here if you have the time.

My motivation was purely to get my story out for all to read and evaluate. I would very much like to read similar stories from other WOers, of both vaccinated and unvaccinated cases -- but NOT copy/pasted, second-hand, unverifiable tweets or cases unrelated to the poster. I'd like to read about real cases happening to our own social circles, that we can first-handedly verify, whose persons involved we are friends/acquaintances with, whose phone numbers are in our phones. I've personally done that, and my conclusions are overwhelmingly in favor of getting the vaccine vs. staying unprotected. I've got 2 doses of the Pfizer variety. Not very eager to get a 3rd dose, but I might, depending on how the situation develops. I feel healthy, I've never experienced any side-effects whatsoever. Am I lucky? I don't know. I just applied the above and it has worked out OK so far for me. I wish the same for all of us, to be healthy and survive this.