Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

(point being whether LN exists or not. if bitcoin fee's are $30+ a time, the amount of people using bitcoin daily declines as do those users desire and need to run fullnodes daily)

Ethereum fees are more than that and the amount of users increases. So, I guess it doesn't work exactly like that.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

and even if LN did exist people wont want to spend $30 with bitcoin if they can just convert their fiat to an altcoin and still access LN cheaper.

There's no reason to increase the block size, 'cause they don't have to pay right now $30 to open channels and make regular on-chain transactions. Also, Litecoin is cheaper with or without LN, but people prefer Bitcoin, so once again, it doesn't work like that.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

LN is not the solution to make bitcoin more useful and scale up. its actually a way to take people away from using bitcoin via many motivations/tactics.

Just-your-opinion.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

again you are confusing the LN payments (private playful conversations in bed with the wife) vs the settlement contracts..(divorce papers)
please try to learn the different contracts.

Please learn to read and respond properly. This is not what I said. I showed you that there's a difference between gold and the banknotes of 20th century in contrast with Bitcoin and the Lightning Network.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

funny part is that im not the one telling people to f**k off to other networks. thats not consensus.. thats exodus.

I never told you to fuck off or that I screw your solution. Again, this is one of the indications of psychological projection. I recommend you to see a psychiatrist.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

your buddy group are the ones that are authoritarian, wanting devs to do mandatory forks and implement gateway features to exodus people off the network by multiple tactics.

What you just described is a democratic way of deciding what to do with a project. We didn't use any kind of cunning propagandas to accomplish this, people just appeared to be agreed with our solution.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

other funny part is i agree LN is a niche use-case.. for micropayments. .. it is not however the payment network solution for all bitcoin daily use which is what you and your chums advertise it as. and LN is not bitcoin.

Daily, I only make micro-payments. If I want to buy a car, yeah, I won't use the LN.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

says the guys that endless call their other network bitcoin2.0, bitcoin2 bitcoin solution.

I never did. However, I agree that you may think I did.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

funny that, because in the same post you then admit its not a solution but just a niche for micropayments only

I never said it's beyond micro-payments.

Quote from: franky1 on January 02, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

need i remind you that Rath_ a LN dev had a 70% payment fail rate with amounts way under 0.009($500)

I'll leave @Rath respond to this himself as it's not my business.