Quote from: dkbit98 on Today at 06:04:40 PM

Quote from: n0nce on January 04, 2022, 11:31:35 PM

Actually, one scenario comes to mind where the person has a backed-up hardware wallet without ever writing it on paper / exposing it to potential spy cameras or anything like that. That's with a device like the Foundation Passport. It allows you to insert a microSD card, back the device up to the card and even do it to multiple cards.

Physical backup on paper/metal is almost always better than any using digital backup like microSD cards even if they are encrypted, but it's not a bad idea to have multiple options in case one of them fails.
I think that Coldcard and Bitbox02 hardware wallets are doing something similar like Passport with SD card backup.

I agree; paper is better than an SD card, since in laminated condition it can withstand humidity and heat without issues, also magnetic fields and stuff like that, while an SD card is an electronic device, so it has more potential to fail. I find it cheaper and even more durable to backup with steel washers though, than buying a laminating machine if you don't have one already. Not sure if those no-heat laminating kits are any good though.

The Coldcard and both BitBox 01 and 02 allow for SD card backups as well.
I reckon it's still much better than no backup at all (for anyone too lazy to write 12 words on a piece of paper and maybe laminating it).

Quote from: dkbit98 on Today at 06:04:40 PM

Quote from: n0nce on January 04, 2022, 11:31:35 PM

The idea about SeedSigner is not mainly for creating paper wallets (in my opinion) but allowing you to also sign transactions (hence the name) while keeping the wallet / seed itself actually offline. It has a camera which can temporarily import the seed through QR code into RAM so it's wiped when power is plugged.

Seedsigner is a nice idea, but problem is that Raspberry Pi Zero and all components for making is hard to find know because of supply chain issue, or it's more expensive to buy.

That's a pity, I didn't know RaspberryPi people are also affected. Maybe just need to wait for restocks? Even before the global supply chain issues in the last years, they ran out of stock from time to time, since they had kind of fixed (I think two-weekly) reshipments.

Quote from: dkbit98 on Today at 06:04:40 PM

Quote from: vapourminer on Today at 02:29:55 PM

thing is, those old school private key paper "wallets" still work. exactly as they did 10 years ago, and will 10 years from now. nothing fancy.. just works

Yeah, just like riding a horse and driving first automobiles from 1900 still works and it's nothing fancy also Cheesy

To be honest, I don't think this is a fair comparison. I wouldn't classify a hardware wallet as a 'newer, better successor', but rather a 'new, but different' type of seed storage, parallel to the purely paper-based storage format.
Even to the point where pure long-term storage isn't safer using a hardware wallet at all, since you'll end up with a paper backup anyway, which is susceptible to the same risks that a pure paper wallet would be. You're adding tech, but still keeping the seed on paper, so for pure storage there's no 'improvement' unlike car vs horse.
I would argue that it's more convenient and safer (less room for mistakes) to spend coins when kept on a hardware wallet though, and also that the seed generation is safer for most people when they use a hardware wallet.