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That my friend, is the way to keep it. Never let your normie friends know how rich you are Wink

This is exactly the reason why I lost my friends.

Now my friends are my family.

and

This tweet makes no sense; the Russo-Ukranian war began nearly 8 years ago and is still ongoing. Also, exactly what problem would we be part of?
Considering that we hodlers are gleefully protecting our assets from that very thing - control of our money by a central authority while speculating on the demise of the current system for any and every reason - I guess we're all guilty as charged by C∅bra. I'm not about to swap my bitcoin for dollars just in case some other banking cartels pile a few more sanctions on Russia and my wealth is preserved so colour me horrible I suppose. I actively implore others to buy bitcoin today as well. Be horrible! Buy Bitcoin! Somberly if possible, gleefully if you must - just don't tweet about it; it's best kept a secret.

I disagree.
Cobra is very specific here and does not generally address hodlers.
If you don't get excited about Russia (i mean 99% people like me and you) getting excluded from a pseudo-standard financial transactions network, just because it could result in a price rise of Bitcoin, you're absolutely not included in this rant.
It's almost the same like having supported the war in irak because of expectations that the dollar would rise in the face of a booming arms industry, imho.
Please tell me you're not that type. If you aren't, you are not getting adressed by this tweet in any way.

EDIT: Re-reading that tweet after posting i see Cobra's last sentence being clear AF regarding the addressed audience.

EDIT2: Remember, most of the germans were shouting for WW2 because they expected more wealth from it. That's a very low motive in terms of humanity, isn't it?

According to the tweet, the horrible human beings are the ones "gleefully" speculating that a Russia-Ukraine war (which as I pointed out has been going on for 8 years) will result in Russia being removed from SWIFT and subsequently adopting bitcoin as a settlement layer. The one's who's first thought about war in Ukraine is, "Yay! Bitcoin goes up." are "part of the problem". I'm asking, what "problem"? There is no way in hell that a few bitcoiners "thinking" bad thoughts have any impact on a potential escalation of the current conflict between Russia and the Ukraine. So it's not clear AF to me.

I see your point now.
"The problem" - imho - is that those people are making themselves part of the group wanting russia to start an (active) war.
Secondarily, Bitcoin would be once again the "asset of evil", according to politics and MSM if the dreams of the addressed people actually become reality.
Bitcoiners always fought against this powerful meme (no, i don't mean gifs on the internet). Which true Bitcoiner would want to empower the "enemy" by his own shortsightedness?

To the war: I don't comment and i don't take sides in this conflict. It is completely obsolete in my opinion, we have much bigger problems to solve.

Quote from: Biodom on January 30, 2022, 08:26:06 PM

nobody put much stock in what presidential order/directive means? it's supposedly coming next week.

..regulate..regulate..regulate.
imho, if they do, it would be more of a "command and control" economy that we would like to admit.

I fear we have to wait and see what they actually will bring to the table, but i'm a little suspicious too.
Background: In my home country, i am sitting out the progress of a vaccine mandate being put into effect. I spent way too much time and energy in arguing and playing mindgames about possible next steps and outcomes vs. possibilities. I got over to waiting until something really happens, which i can actually react to in a more efficient way. I guess it also keeps me thinking more factual than emotional about global propblems in general.

So then is the unstated "problem", as I feared, that we have this decentralized, no-trust-required, wealth transfer method that doesn't require an intermediary which anyone can use... including Russia if they are kicked out of the SWIFT club? Honestly, I can't see any other way to decipher it. I guess bitcoin is a failed experiment. Sell it all now!!!! Then again maybe we get lucky and Russia, if kicked out of SWIFT, will choose BSV as a payment settlement medium instead in which case I hope.... no! no! no! I never hope for war.