Quote from: lorix on March 27, 2014, 03:08:09 PM

Quote from: Imerman2 on March 27, 2014, 12:43:20 PM

You are sick demented man, 80% of my crypto was in Gox, and you know what I hope for the best for Mark and to even mention his family in such a way is disgusting, they did not run the business so leave them out of everything, even legal procedures. The guy made the first Bitcoin exchange which was a huge development and without that Bitcoin had no price determining mechanism, because there wasn't really a market. He saw the price increase by an incredible amount and made mistakes, yes, but you know what, running a business is fucking hard. Imagine trying to find employees qualified to work on Bitcoin. It's not an easy task and he saw unbelievable growth and was hounded by the Feds for a bunch of bullshit. Anyone who uses a third-party to hold their coins knows they are taking a risk and with Gox that risk was apparent. If you lose coins, so long as he didn't steal them, which at this point seems very unlikely, then man up and accept the fact that YOU ignored warning signs and lost coins, because you did not want to get out when there were multiple chances.

WRONG.

Get your facts straight - MtGox was originally created by Jed McCaleb and it was he that had the vision to turn it into a Bitcoin exchange. When it started to grow too fast he decided to sell it in early 2011 to Karpeles who bought it presumably to monetize and grow. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox

Jed was smart enough to hand it over when he realized it was bigger than he could cope with. Mark on the other hand BOUGHT INTO IT with the knowledge of what it was, and as CEO he bears FULL RESPONSIBILITY for any mismanagement that went on. My issue is that his reported past history, claims of being hacked and inconsistency between his version of events and what the blockchain says gives many of the affected people reason to think there was more going on than we are being told here.

You can't tell me that you wouldn't look at every possible option available to you if you lost a life changing amount of BTC on an exchange you were repeatedly assured was "safe".

Or would you?

Fair enough on Jed making it an exchange, I was going off Antonoupolous's claims on Molyneux's recent podcast where he credited Mt. Gox (which under the context seemed to mean was under the control of Karpeles) with giving Bitcoin a price discovery mechanism. And no, I would not ever consider involving his family, especially considering that the details of a malleability attack and the reports coming out indicate they have almost all the coins, which is why I bought in at the start of this debacle. Educate yourself rather than place blame.

You still can't say that you don't have any responsibility, as you say he has past history and has claims of being hacked that are inconsistent, yet you kept coins there. I never had coins in Gox until BitcoinBuilder sold them at a discount because it was obvious Gox had serious issues, but I bet most of my life savings that the issues weren't as large as everyone was saying. If you had coins in Gox and didn't think there was a risk, then you made serious mistakes and should own up to it, you are ultimately the one in control of your money, so blaming others is just an admission that you don't know what you are doing.

Karpeles is to blame for the mismanagement to a large extent of course, but to only blame him is what a coward does. Man up, accept responsibility for your actions, and improve the management of your funds in the future. If I lost the coins, then so be it, I knew the risks and will respond to whatever occurs accordingly to improve the management of my assets in the future. If you don't place responsibility on yourself you will never learn to manage your wealth and these things will keep occurring.