Quote from: af_newbie on March 07, 2022, 11:55:55 PM

Quote from: Agbe on March 07, 2022, 11:23:55 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on March 07, 2022, 09:15:51 PM

Quote from: Markinzo on March 07, 2022, 07:20:50 PM

This war between Russia and Ukraine is one in which a pragmatic leader could call to an end for the sake of his people. For Ukraine there's no further need for Zelensky to still trying to push hard, find ways out to talk with Vladimir Putin, not as a show of weakness but as a pragmatic leader.

Cause looking at the politics here you'll find out that neither has NATO placed an imposition of No_Fly Zone or has the United States of America cease from buying Russian oil amidst the war. It's quite apparent as to their reasons why (National interest).

All we hear from the Western media is deception upon deception as to how Ukraine is still stand tall, resilient, and unperturbed. While to the best of my knowledge not a single missile has been fired into Russia from Ukraine soil. For no level of aid requested by Zelensky can salvage the situation.

However, even if Putin is charged with war_crimes. What is the tendency of capturing him and have him answer to charges of war_crimes? Is it same NATO countries that depend strongly on Russia oil and gas?

Zelensky should consider himself to have been fooled by the Western countries, including NATO member countries and, should fall back to Putin to find amendable ways to end this war, irrespective of how humiliating and abase it might seem, cause a CEASE_FIRE for him and his people is better than a feeling of abasement.

Most times, it's advisable to view issues from different lens.

I hope Putin realizes that he permanently (in his and our lifetimes) damaged the image of Russia. Any Russian who will travel, try to work, or immigrate abroad when this war is over will be discriminated against no matter how good they are as people. For decades into the foreseeable future Russians and their children will be asking the world for forgiveness and will do anything to prove to the world that they are not Putinians and/or Soviets. Just like Germans to this day are trying to prove to the world that they are not Nazis.

People will perceive them as violent, blood-thirsty, imperialistic, insane criminals. Nobody will want to have anything to do with them.

Кaцaпи, вaм пoлный пиздeц.

source: https://twitter.com/ukrpravda_news/status/1500534758593466373

As for Ukraine, they have been left to fight by themselves, like Poland in 1939. I do think they have a better chance to win this war than Poles had in 1939. The sanctions will start biting at some point. As long as the West supplies them weapons they will be ok.

At some point, I think there will be a humanitarian/supply no-fly zone in western Ukraine to provide ongoing support to cripple the Russian army and destroy their economy.

I do think the whole world will be affected. I hope that Germans and Hungarians realize that Putin can cut off the supply of gas to them at any moment. Just because they want to buy from him, does not mean he will continue selling it to them. These two countries already gave in to Putin's original master plan by not supporting energy sanctions, and now they will be dancing to the music that Putin will be playing.

Unless of course, they have longer-term plans to cut off Russia completely.

Any civilized government in Europe should increase military spending to 10% of their GDP, and place existential importance on the energy independence from Russia. Nuclear power stations and nuclear weapons are a must. Unfortunately. The world has to thank Putin for that.

Whao!!! See fresh bodies lying down lifeless because of war. This is waste of human resources. Zelensky would have prevented this waste of life. In politics, rascality is good but hiding, running and soft talk are part of the game.

Go fuck yourself you worthless piece of shit. Putin is responsible for these war crimes

Quote from: af_newbie on March 07, 2022, 09:15:51 PM

Quote from: Markinzo on March 07, 2022, 07:20:50 PM

This war between Russia and Ukraine is one in which a pragmatic leader could call to an end for the sake of his people. For Ukraine there's no further need for Zelensky to still trying to push hard, find ways out to talk with Vladimir Putin, not as a show of weakness but as a pragmatic leader.

Cause looking at the politics here you'll find out that neither has NATO placed an imposition of No_Fly Zone or has the United States of America cease from buying Russian oil amidst the war. It's quite apparent as to their reasons why (National interest).

All we hear from the Western media is deception upon deception as to how Ukraine is still stand tall, resilient, and unperturbed. While to the best of my knowledge not a single missile has been fired into Russia from Ukraine soil. For no level of aid requested by Zelensky can salvage the situation.

However, even if Putin is charged with war_crimes. What is the tendency of capturing him and have him answer to charges of war_crimes? Is it same NATO countries that depend strongly on Russia oil and gas?

Zelensky should consider himself to have been fooled by the Western countries, including NATO member countries and, should fall back to Putin to find amendable ways to end this war, irrespective of how humiliating and abase it might seem, cause a CEASE_FIRE for him and his people is better than a feeling of abasement.

Most times, it's advisable to view issues from different lens.

I hope Putin realizes that he permanently (in his and our lifetimes) damaged the image of Russia. Any Russian who will travel, try to work, or immigrate abroad when this war is over will be discriminated against no matter how good they are as people. For decades into the foreseeable future Russians and their children will be asking the world for forgiveness and will do anything to prove to the world that they are not Putinians and/or Soviets. Just like Germans to this day are trying to prove to the world that they are not Nazis.

People will perceive them as violent, blood-thirsty, imperialistic, insane criminals. Nobody will want to have anything to do with them.

Кaцaпи, вaм пoлный пиздeц.

source: https://twitter.com/ukrpravda_news/status/1500534758593466373

As for Ukraine, they have been left to fight by themselves, like Poland in 1939. I do think they have a better chance to win this war than Poles had in 1939. The sanctions will start biting at some point. As long as the West supplies them weapons they will be ok.

At some point, I think there will be a humanitarian/supply no-fly zone in western Ukraine to provide ongoing support to cripple the Russian army and destroy their economy.

I do think the whole world will be affected. I hope that Germans and Hungarians realize that Putin can cut off the supply of gas to them at any moment. Just because they want to buy from him, does not mean he will continue selling it to them. These two countries already gave in to Putin's original master plan by not supporting energy sanctions, and now they will be dancing to the music that Putin will be playing.

Unless of course, they have longer-term plans to cut off Russia completely.

Any civilized government in Europe should increase military spending to 10% of their GDP, and place existential importance on the energy independence from Russia. Nuclear power stations and nuclear weapons are a must. Unfortunately. The world has to thank Putin for that.

Quote from: af_newbie on March 07, 2022, 09:15:51 PM

Quote from: Markinzo on March 07, 2022, 07:20:50 PM

This war between Russia and Ukraine is one in which a pragmatic leader could call to an end for the sake of his people. For Ukraine there's no further need for Zelensky to still trying to push hard, find ways out to talk with Vladimir Putin, not as a show of weakness but as a pragmatic leader.

Cause looking at the politics here you'll find out that neither has NATO placed an imposition of No_Fly Zone or has the United States of America cease from buying Russian oil amidst the war. It's quite apparent as to their reasons why (National interest).

All we hear from the Western media is deception upon deception as to how Ukraine is still stand tall, resilient, and unperturbed. While to the best of my knowledge not a single missile has been fired into Russia from Ukraine soil. For no level of aid requested by Zelensky can salvage the situation.

However, even if Putin is charged with war_crimes. What is the tendency of capturing him and have him answer to charges of war_crimes? Is it same NATO countries that depend strongly on Russia oil and gas?

Zelensky should consider himself to have been fooled by the Western countries, including NATO member countries and, should fall back to Putin to find amendable ways to end this war, irrespective of how humiliating and abase it might seem, cause a CEASE_FIRE for him and his people is better than a feeling of abasement.

Most times, it's advisable to view issues from different lens.

I hope Putin realizes that he permanently (in his and our lifetimes) damaged the image of Russia. Any Russian who will travel, try to work, or immigrate abroad when this war is over will be discriminated against no matter how good they are as people. For decades into the foreseeable future Russians and their children will be asking the world for forgiveness and will do anything to prove to the world that they are not Putinians and/or Soviets. Just like Germans to this day are trying to prove to the world that they are not Nazis.

People will perceive them as violent, blood-thirsty, imperialistic, insane criminals. Nobody will want to have anything to do with them.

Not until other Western countries and others alike have been perceived to be violent, blood_thirtsty, imperialistic... for their actions towards countries like Afghanistan, Libya, iran, phililipstians and others as such, then would Russian citizens have the fear for the aforementioned 👆. If not, then I can conspicuously say your statement is eutopian to the future.

I'll not fail to reiterate that I take no stand to any pole as far as this war between Russia and Ukraine is concerned, but my utmost desire is an end to the war, for the sake of the innocent citizens of both Russia and Ukraine.