Quote from: lumbanrang on March 10, 2022, 07:33:35 AM

Quote from: Dunamisx on March 09, 2022, 02:46:24 PM

Quote from: lumbanrang link=topic=5388459.msg59472506#msg59472506

Russia also initially had no intention of starting a war, but Ukraine lured Russia into joining the US, NATO and European alliances and ignoring the Minsk agreement.

Russia has intention to engage the war because when they started mounting troops at the boarder, there was a call for alarm and several bodies asked Putin if there's no any intention of invading Ukraine but he keep muted.

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but Putin is Putin, he doesn't care about that and continues his aggression.

Aggression for what? Is it a crime to share boarder with Russia? Or is Russia not different from Ukraine?

Don't look at the Russians like they are the most guilty. Russia put troops on the border because indeed they had received reports that Ukraine would join NATO and it was only the first step in anticipation if NATO built its base on the Ukrainian border. Just imagine if Mexico had an alliance with Russia and Russia built its nuclear base on the Mexican-US border, what would the US response be?

Exactly, after the WW, the EU should've taken that opportunity to become neutral between the West and the East. NATO, a North Atlantic security organisation by definition, have no business in Eastern Europe, hundreds and hundreds of miles away from the Atlantic. A lot of my family are Moldovan, and I would like us to join the EU, but if we joined NATO, I would be very worried.

I don't get how people expected Russia to react. NATO have been conducting ops far away from the Atlantic for a long time, in Serbia and Libya 2011. Why wouldn't Russia 'fear' for their security? In addition, Biden is the weakest US President potentially in history, why wouldn't Putin take advantage of that as well? It's not a coincidence that Russia didn't invade during Trump's reign, but they did during Bush, Obama, and Biden's. If Trump isn't re-elected or a Republican candidate isn't the next President, you can say goodbye to the US being 'the largest power' for definite.

Putin is at fault for the current situation but the West are at fault for the context.