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Quote from: Gyfts on March 19, 2022, 03:27:54 PM

Putin doesn't need to win the hearts and minds of the Ukrainian people. He will install a government that is pro-Russia. So the Ukrainian people will pledge loyalty to a puppet government, not him.

Take it as you will, as there is so much propaganda being thrown by actors culpable of stirring the pot, but here is Putin being cheered by a stadium of people in a recent public appearance: https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1504821631675473922

Quite the contrast from the videos and clips of small groups of protestors that are being arrested by Russian police. The international community is on the same page against Russia, but as long as Putin can sustain confidence among his own people, I see no reason why Putin would withdraw from Ukraine.

So that is the plan? LOL.

Hmm, you have no idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzRls0WSW4c

Yes, it is his plan. That is only if he is able to murder Zelenskyy. See the number of hit squads/mercenary groups that have attempted to assassinate him: https://nypost.com/2022/03/09/zelensky-has-survived-more-than-a-dozen-assassination-attempts-aide-says/

They can't be cheap, must serve a purpose eh?

Do you think Ukraine will become part of Russia? How else would you expect they be governed? If Zelenskyy survives, then no problem for Putin. He will murder enough citizens until a concession is forced from Ukraine. Either way, Putin will be in control of the Ukrainian government,

If he kills all Ukrainians who will remain in Ukraine, then sure, I agree, he will accomplish his ethnic cleansing plan.

I just don't know where he is going to get all the cannon fodder. I think when the number of killed Russian soldiers approach 200K
it will be the end of Putin's political career. Maybe even sooner. I would not be surprised if he does a false flag bombing on his own people
to justify martial law and the military draft.

I don't think he knows how to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. At least Hitler knew how to design concentration camps, but this
guy cannot find people who can coordinate an attack, perform military maneuvers, etc. his army has been taught WWII tactics.

At this point, it does not matter, if Zelensky lives or is assassinated. I think the opposition will be even stronger if he is assassinated, and
the western response will be harsher. His 'plan' will turn into a complete disaster, if it is not there already.

Give Ukrainians a martyr, and watch your back. No pro-Russian person will ever be safe in Ukraine after that.

It's for sure that Putin has no intention of largely holding Ukraine. Putin just wants to make sure that Ukraine stays away from NATO and Russia can supply gas to Europe without any transit fees. If he really wants to do something like he has done with Crimea then we could see Kyiv been pounded by thousands of missiles already. RF trying to keep civilian casualties as low as possible but still unwanted incidents happen in the war zone.

However, we should not underestimate Putin by saying he failed to coordinate his invasion. We should not forget that he is a former KGB agent which makes him a cold-blooded killer. He could have something else and bigger in mind that we can not imagine right now. Who knows he could attack Poland and Moldova too.

making Ukraine to stay away from NATO what will be the profit of Putin i think nobody have right to stop any country from joining organization, despite that the NATO of organization maybe is for supper country in European region I don't know but let Russian allow Ukraine to join