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Quote from: n0nce on Today at 11:40:05 AM

If it's this easy, please do it and show how you did it. Don't worry, it's not spreading misinformation, if it's possible, it's a bug in the system and it's totally your right to exploit it. Also, if it was this easy, someone would surely simply do that (in secret or now); yet somehow I still own my own coins.

Sure it's easy. You need a line of code to attach a number to an address.

Why don't you then write a line of code and attach 100BTC to the address bc1qxp6y0reenlxh6sn825fmc8pqyfvmrdk7ed6flj?
Please, set the number 100BTC next to that address (selected a valid address at random), so that it's visible on https://mempool.space/address/bc1qxp6y0reenlxh6sn825fmc8pqyfvmrdk7ed6flj and on my own node as well as any other block explorer. Then it would be proven that BTC isn't real and whatever else you claim.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 01:09:35 PM

Your problem is that you lack education in economics so you think that attaching a number to an address means creating a coin.

It's not economics; you haven't understood how Bitcoin works, how mining and transactions work.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 01:09:35 PM

Electronic coin or cash is liability written on digital media. Cash is liability written on paper or metal media. Writing down numbers into a database is not creating coins or electronic cash, like Satoshi said in his whitepaper. That guy wrote nonsense because he is also uneducated in economics.

That's wrong though. It doesn't have anything to do with economics; as I said, compare to gold. You need to mine it; after that, it has some base value. This value isn't a liability, the value is within the metal itself, because of the energy expended to get it out of the earth and the scarcity of it. But it's not pointing to some liability or debt in some bank. Or do you believe this is wrong and gold only has value because the bank attaches a value to a certain amount of gold?

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Quote from: n0nce on Today at 11:40:05 AM

The thing that you don't understand and cannot understand without educating yourself about cryptography and signatures: you can't just write another number next to your address.

Yes, you can... here you go. Addr4u7jgt67. I declare that to be my address. ... Addr4u7jgt67->1,000 And now I just attached a number to that address.

Except nobody accepts it because it's not created according to the Bitcoin protocol. Same reason why altcoins aren't worth as much as Bitcoins.
You need to show me https://mempool.space/address/[your addr] and somehow get their (and all other) nodes to accept this.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 01:09:35 PM

But, whatever. It is still a number. It's not a car. It's not an application. It's not money or a coin ( a tangible item or intangible liability). It's literally a number. With or without POW, it doesn't matter. POW doesn't magically transform numbers into gold.

It does transform numbers into gold. That's like saying 'mining gold doesn't make this metal valuable, it's just a rando material' (might as well make wedding rings out of clay or something, right).

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Quote from: n0nce on Today at 11:40:05 AM

When you claim that we can't 'show the BTC assigned to our address', it's a strawman argument. That's because we don't prove ownership by 'showing the number of BTC and the corresponding address', but we prove ownership through a cryptographic signature that only the owner can provide.

You don't prove ownership because you don't own a digital product, liability or a tangible item. You prove that a specific number was attached to your address. That's it.

Almost! You prove that you are able to spend coins that everyone in the world agrees on, are attached to your address. The ability to spend this coin is the ownership of it. Like being able to spend a gold coin because you hold it in your hands. It has no value if you can't spend it (e.g. if you lost it or can't access it), right.

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Quote from: n0nce on Today at 11:40:05 AM

Except we can. It's called cryptographic signature.

Cryptographic signature... I have to google it..

Seriously. If you didn't know what a cryptographic signature was, before creating this topic, PLEASE learn first. You proved time and time again that you have no idea. Sure, you can quickly google it, but real understanding takes longer than that. You're incredibly in the wrong here and there's no way for us to convince otherwise if you lack all of the basics, honestly. Do you seriously believe you can discuss this topic without any knowledge (newsflash: you really don't have any knowledge about cryptocurrencies, none at all) about the very thing you are criticizing?

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 01:09:35 PM

So, with a cryptographic signature you are just securing the numbers attached. No bit-coins, that is, someone's liabilities to redeem numbers exist in a cryptographic signature. You see, you didn't prove the existence of bit-coins.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 01:09:35 PM

I am not a fraudster so I don't create fake things.

Fucking weak excuse. You could give it away afterwards or burn it (I know - you have no idea about burning coins, either, since you are CLUELESS).

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 01:09:35 PM

Antique money is a tangible item. Modern money is redeemable record. Satoshi's numbers are neither. Which means they are not money, coins or tokens. They're just numbers. You are free to pay a million dollars for a number to be attached to your address. But you cannot lie that that number is money, coin or bit-coin. Although you can say it's a fake-coin.

If your definition of money doesn't fit Bitcoin, so be it. But the point stands that you can't just write some number next to an address (creating coins out of thin air). Since people pay lots of money to generate these coins and have them accepted by everyone running nodes, as well as the buyers of these coins, they do have a value.

But this is my last post in this topic. It's a waste of time, as I said.
Please stop wasting your own time as well; if you're not interested in Bitcoin, maybe get a hobby; if you still are, seriously educate yourself first and then we can discuss about what you didn't understand.
Coming into a forum of people that are highly educated and experienced in this field and telling them that all is a 'great lie' without having any idea about any of even the basics of this, is not a good idea. In general.
So long! *unwatch*