On the desire of Poland to seize Western Ukraine

Quote from: coolcoinz on April 03, 2022, 09:05:12 PM

Quote from: Veleor on April 03, 2022, 10:34:02 AM

Whether or not, some political scientists explain the activity of the Polish government (including the desire to use the peacekeeping contingent) by the wish to return control over the western regions of Ukraine, which in the past belonged to Poland.

You're repeating pure Russian propaganda. Those scientists who you're quoting got their scripts straight from the KGB. ~

It seems that, according to some users here, US army colonel Douglas Macgregor, who talks about a possible takeover of western Ukraine by Poland, is also a Russian propagandist.

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May 10, 2022
Unconfirmed reports from Warsaw indicate that after Washington rejected the proposals for a no-fly zone over Ukraine,
along with the transfer of Polish MIG-29 aircrafts to Ukrainian pilots,
the Polish general staff was quietly instructed to formulate plans for
intervention in the Ukrainian conflict by seizing the western part of Ukraine.
Naturally, military action of this scale would require Kiev’s approval,
but given Washington’s de facto control of the Zelensky government,
approval for Polish military intervention should not be a problem.

Ukrainian losses near Snake Island

Quote from: suchmoon on May 10, 2022, 11:00:22 AM

Except there is video evidence of Russia losing multiple boats, SAMs, and a helicopter, but there's no evidence of Ukrainian losses and it wouldn't make sense for them to even attempt sending troops or equipment there when they can safely attack Russians remotely.

A week ago, the Ukrainian media reported the loss of two Ukrainian pilots from the 10th Naval Aviation Brigade (Nikolaev) Igor Bedzai and Vasily Ilchuk, and the death of the second was definitely as a result of the battle for Snake Island. But, apparently, Ukrainian losses in the Western media are not widely covered, so that Western officials do not lose their desire to supply weapons to Ukraine, and Ukrainian men do not lose the motivation to go to fight at the front.

The myth that Ukraine is a democratic state

Quote from: suchmoon on May 15, 2022, 03:25:14 PM

What Russian propaganda doesn't realize (and it doesn't matter of course, since this nonsense is for internal consumption in Russia, where everything that comes out of Kremlin is the holy truth) is that Zelensky is just one person in a democratically-elected government, something that Russia hasn't had for decades. Trying to make him look like a corrupt drug addict doesn't mean anything. Ukrainians could elect someone else and the result would still be largely the same. Putin angered an entire nation of 40 million, not one person.

You call a "democratically elected government" what was elected five years after the anti-constitutional coup in Kyiv in 2014 (Euromaidan), when 1 million protesters decided for 45 million Ukrainians how they should live, without holding a general vote. Protests against the illegal coup were brutally suppressed in Mariupol and Odessa in 2014. Acting President of Ukraine Aleksandr Turchynov initiated an anti-terrorist operation (ATO) against the DPR and LPR, and under this sauce the Kyiv authorities bombed their own population for several years, as a result of which 14,000 people died, including more than a hundred children. Residents of the republics unrecognized by Kyiv at first didn't want to separate from Ukraine at all, they just wanted to remain part of the country, but to be given the opportunity to speak and teach children in Russian. But after the brutal treatment of the people of Donbass by the Ukrainian government, they now perceive it as a sworn enemy. Euromaidan in Kyiv is as if Trump supporters in 2021 managed to carry out a coup d'état by capturing the Capitol, and then they would call their government democratic.
Considering Ukraine a democratic state is at least naive.
Under President Petr Poroshenko (2014-2019), the Prosecutor General of Ukraine was thrown out of office in exchange for $1 billion when his personality didn't suit the American government (read - Biden). This is direct proof that Ukraine is just a US puppet.
Zelenskiy is now banning opposition parties in Ukraine and, in fact, only one state-owned TV channel operates there.
In March, a member of the first Ukrainian negotiating delegation, Denis Kireev, was shot dead in Kyiv by SBU officers for thinking he could support Russia. In April, Zelensky took hostage the head of an opposition party, Ukrainian citizen Medvedchuk, and wanted to exchange him for captured Ukrainian soldiers. I don't remember something like that in the history of democratic states, so that their citizens were forcibly captured, in order to be later exchanged for other soldiers of their own.
In Ukraine, they even publicly kidnap priests.
In the so-called democratic Ukraine, citizens *suspected of theft* - instead of taking them to the police - are tied to poles, doused with green paint, take off their pants and beaten. Is this the standard of democracy to which we should strive?
And Western propaganda is at least no better than Russian propaganda. German journalists deleted video with uncomfortable eyewitness testimony from Mariupol. The Spanish TV channel deliberately did not insert subtitles with a translation about how the Azov people threatened to kill civilians. The English "journalist" abruptly interrupted the broadcast when he had nothing to object to the Russian diplomat. The Italian magazine La Stampa published a photo from Donetsk, which was hit by a Ukrainian rocket for a photo from Kyiv. There are many more examples of how people in Western countries are being brainwashed.

Mariupol today

Quote from: suchmoon on May 15, 2022, 03:25:14 PM

Meanwhile in Mariupol - according to random bits of information collected from telegram, so take it with salt and pepper - invaders tried turn water and power on... with predictable results: water spilling into the streets and fires in apartment buildings. Sewer system isn't working either, so even where water main is not broken it will likely end up with sewage backups. Who could have possibly known that it's easier to bomb the city than to actually make it function.

Why are you spreading unsubstantiated rumors about Mariupol? There are two videos on May 14 and May 15, and neither fires nor floods are visible there.

The lie that the whole world hates Russia

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 15, 2022, 06:41:25 AM

Russian culture is already being erased from countries all over the world. The world is largely disgusted by Russia right now. The only silver lining really is that Putin has brought great Unity to the world, the kind we haven't experienced in a very long time, probably since the actual Victory day when WW2 ended.

The world is not limited only to Western countries. According to The Economist, far from the whole world is against Russia.

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But together the countries opposing Russia account for only 36% of the world’s population.
Around two-thirds of people live in countries whose governments are either neutral or Russian-leaning.
China and India, which together account for around one-third of the global population, skew the results.

Сorruption in Ukraine

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 15, 2022, 06:02:44 PM

We should also take a moment and appreciate the irony in someone defending Russia implying that because the president of a country being invaded by Russia is rich means they are bad.

It's not about the wealth of certain people as such, but how it was acquired and how it is being spent now.
Here's what happens when expensive weapons and financial help are delivered to the one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.

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Partners in Poland, Slovakia and Romania are surprised
by such an active renewal of the vehicle fleet of a warring country
for which the whole world is raising funds for humanitarian assistance.
"For example, they are shocked by the industrial scale
of imports of luxury cars "for the needs of Ukrainian Armed Forces".
To understand, 14,300 (!) cars were imported into the country
in eight days after the abolition of customs duties.
Including dozens of BMW X5, Mercedes -Benz S-Class,
2022 Audi Q7 and even Cadillac Escalade for UAH 3.1 million"

https://ukranews.com/en/news/852117-ukraine-establishes-limited-list-of-customs-clearance-points-for-cars-from-eu-for-its-own-needs

Who actually bears the main losses in Ukraine

Quote from: paxmao on May 15, 2022, 10:51:45 PM

I am not the I told you guy.... do not die for Putin while he robs the Russ people. ~
They did not listen... Hundreds where wiped out so that Putin can keep on the rebuilding works in his Imperial Throne (the mould infestation is just pure karma).

So far, outsiders are the Ukrainian soldiers, who have released video appeals about how they were betrayed by the command (1, 2) and foreign mercenaries:

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"We’re the underdogs here and whatever you say about the Russians,
they’re a professional army and they’re using a lot of hi-tech [equipment],"
says one British ex-Royal Marine fighting around Kyiv.
"You’re out there in trenches, being buzzed with camera drones,
and the moment they spot you, they send artillery in".

Link to the original article in The Telegraph