Quote from: Branko on April 05, 2022, 07:40:07 AM

They have large Russian minority in Ukraine...shooting them and then blaming it on Russia would be seen by Azov as double win, I guess
I'm from Croatia, and during our little war 30 years ago, all sides did that (yes, even us Croats)

Your 'little war' accounted for a notable part of my confidence in 'the media' being adjusted in the right direction. Back then I was a 'progressive' and a 'democrat' and while I didn't 'love' the Clintons, I did like and trust them and basically assumed that whatever Bill was supporting was basically the right thing. Even then I could see that they would lie, but figured that it was for a good end-goal which I would/should agree with if I understood it better.

I remember one widely reported incident where one side was starving captured civilians in barbed wire prison camp. A later analysis of the 'reporting' pointed out that the reporters were on the inside of the wire enclosure and they focused on a guy who had a congenital birth defect which gave him a sunken chest. The science of fake news and crisis actors has developed a lot since then, and the incidence of it has mushroomed until now it is basically the standard for reporting and actual reporting on real information is a novelty for corporate media.

I was hanging out with a bunch of Croats because I was commercial fishing in Alaska at the time. They were pretty fired up and radical (and fun to hang out and drink with.) One of the American born 20-somethings was heading over to the old country there to fight right after the fishing season was over with full support of his family. I don't have any reason to doubt that he followed up on his plan. If so, I hope he survived.