Quote from: be.open on Today at 06:06:25 AM

Quote from: Marvelman on April 10, 2022, 10:55:03 PM

Quote from: be.open on April 10, 2022, 10:16:27 PM

You and I are talking here, and the soldiers on the battlefield are doing their job. And the Russian soldiers are doing their job well. Europe's monetary and military aid will not help Ukraine against Russia, just as it has never helped Europe itself.

You continue to spread lies and misinformation here, and I have no idea why. The Russian invasion has already failed in its primary objectives, and is being reorganized to accomplish secondary objectives, the so-called "phase 2". However it will also fail, and all that will remain in the end are the thousands of lives that were lost in vain.

In modern armed conflict, the one who controls the airspace usually wins. Russia took control of the air in Ukraine in the first hours of the start of the operation, it was then that everything was strategically over for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. That is why, for the entire first week since the start of the operation, Zelensky asked and even demanded that NATO close the airspace over Ukraine - because this is a key moment. Turkey has not joined the economic sanctions against Russia, but as a supplier of Bayraktars, it has done more for Ukraine than the US and Europe combined.

The only real advantage of Ukraine now is a noticeable quantitative superiority in manpower. If the third wave of mobilization is successful, Ukraine can, in 2-3 weeks, bring the strength of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to 600 thousand soldiers and gain an advantage of 2-2.5 times over the number of Russian troops in Ukraine, together with the people's militia of Donbass. This is a noticeable advantage, and for defensive battles in urban areas - even overwhelming. And the difficult course of the cleansing of Mariupol shows this well. I am writing this paragraph so that you understand that I am not driven by naked jingoistic patriotism, but by a fairly sober understanding of the situation. Now reread the first paragraph again, because this paragraph does not cancel it.

Quote from: af_newbie on Today at 04:23:50 AM

What do you think will be done with Russian-speaking Ukrainians who do not want to be part of Russia, and who do not want a Russian puppet government in Ukraine?

Genocide? Concentration re-training camps in Siberia?

What exactly is the plan?

I am not even talking about the Ukrainian-speaking population, we all know that Russia just wants to exterminate them.

My question is to YOU. What do YOU think needs to happen to Russian-speaking Ukrainians who are anti-Russia?

I think nothing terrible will happen to them, neither mass genocide, nor concentration camps in Siberia, nor torture in the dungeons of the KGB, nor even hard labor in uranium mines. In Russia, in your kitchen at home, you can drink vodka with your friends and scold Putin as much as you like. Putin's rating was very low, it seems, in 2018, when he signed the law on raising the retirement age, although he had previously promised not to do this. The rating of the ruling party "United Russia" is still not too high, the people have not forgiven them for this. In general, people in Russia are very far from politics, well, except for taxi drivers (there is even a saying "it's a pity that everyone who understands politics is already working as taxi drivers and hairdressers"). People don’t hate Ukrainians either, if they don’t jump in front of you shouting “moskolyak to gilyak” and they don’t have a tattoo with a swastika on their forehead. There is rather a misunderstanding of how a fraternal country could lose its original identity in just one generation, ruin a powerful economy and industry inherited from the collapse of the USSR, and turn into an agrarian appendage of Europe with mass glorification of Bandera and the SS division "Galitchina", mixed with gay-parades. So don't worry about the Russian-speaking Ukrainians, or even the Ukrainian speakers - it's just that Russia will take away from you all the weapons more powerful than a hunting double-barreled shotgun and arrange a show trial of the Nazis, so that neither you nor others would be disrespectful. And then live as you want, God will be your judge.

So why do Russians execute Ukrainian civilians now? Why do they kidnap and kill the administration of the towns and villages that they occupy?

And what if I will not want to give up my weapons? Or want to have Russians in my country?

https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

Can Ukrainians ask the Russians to leave? Or do they have to shoot them between the eyes?

What if they don't want to talk, do business, or have anything to do with Russians or Russia?
Do you think they would get the message and leave in peace? Or would they have to leave in pieces?

What this war did, it made a lot of people really mad at Russia, and Russians, there will be no normal relationship between Ukrainians and Russians after this war is over.

All wars end. This one will lead to the permanent separation of Ukraine and Russia. Too much blood has been spilled.

Russian culture will be permanently erased from Ukraine. No more Russian statues, cemeteries, or plaques.
The Russian language will still be spoken by some, but new generations will only speak Ukrainian.

Russia has created a real enemy for generations to come. From otherwise friendly country. For what? Grand delusion of the Soviet Union?