Quote from: SebastianJu on March 29, 2014, 03:10:39 PM

Quote from: thy on March 29, 2014, 01:16:26 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on March 29, 2014, 12:25:42 PM

Quote from: jbreher on March 29, 2014, 02:18:03 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on March 28, 2014, 09:45:16 PM

I should consider taking Graet into my lawyer letters but i think i dont know his real name.

Graeme Tee

https://www.facebook.com/graeme.tee.9

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE

Thanks but i dont find his name in any of these documents. Is he really an official CEO/Employee or only some unofficial that isnt mentioned in the papers?

Quote from: thy on March 29, 2014, 06:59:18 AM

It does make sense that ukyo own shares in his own loan, he did do regular redeems of shares when people asked for it before the problems started on bitfunder and he probably bought back shares at under face value on the market when people dumped shares before the problems to and resold them at face value or higher price. Ukyo has also bought back some shares after the problems started.
If my memory serves me right there was also a gigantic buywall at low prices(think it was 150 000 or 200 000 shares at 0.005) when bitfunder started it's restriction and whind the site down, i can only imagine it was one of two people that was behind that buywall of 750-1000 btc value, either Ukyo or Cryptocyprus and there was at least on one occasions shares sold into that wall.
So the share Ukyo has in his own loan in burnsides list is simply shares Ukyo has bought back, either as redeemed shares or on the market at low price, the shares didn't magically dissapear when he bought them back, there was always 200 000 shares out on the market after the full 200 000 shares had been issued and put on the market the first time, the share in Ukyo-loan in burnsides list do add up to the total of 200 000 witch is the correct amount that was out on the market, the list of Ukyo's holdings is from the list Burnside published on btct-tc over all asset-holders at bitfunder.

Ken slaughter claims to have sold Ukyo's ~232 000 shares in Activemining on Crypto-Trade when he dumped shares there, but that move was hardly legal, so technically Ken will probably have to tie those shares to ones he owned himself instead and Ukyo would still technically have his shares in Activemining left, but in any case i think the total amount they sold for when ken dumped them was at least over 116 btc and ken slaghter don't have bigger rights to those 116 btc's than any other people Ukyo owes money whether there's in the form of Ukyo loan or Weexchange asset-holder.

There could of course be other changes now to what Ukyo holds compared to when Burnsides list was made, but if Ukyo sold some of the assets on the list he should have around the equivalent amount of BTC instead so in that purpose it shouldent matter much whether he still holds the stock-assets in question or if it's in the form of BTC now, it's still an asset Ukyo has that is of a certain amount of BTC value that is greater than 0 however you count on it.

Except ukyo sold the shares and but the btc in his personal wallet which he claims was in the weexchange wallet too.
Why do you know that this bitcoin address, and so the shares, were bound to ukyo? And did all the shares survive? I mean many IPO's simply vanished after exchanges go down, others cant be traded like ActM and so on.

The list Burnside published is of pretty late date i think it should be from after bitfunder closed for open trades, so if Ukyo sold any of the shares he should have the btc fund from it in a normal working wallet.

The address 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq is the address that matches the amount of Activemining shares that both Ukyo and Ken slaughter mentioned. The closest adreses above and below that one in numbers of activemining shares is:
ActiveMining 565,269 16yTynjmSe5bsRGykDaaCL5bm2pxiEfcqP
ActiveMining 75,000 1G9CD1bVJ1E1MrUhC87sxZJ2QZ17uJqzVD
So there's really not much room for doubts there, unless Ukto would have made some deal with ken slaughter to put up some smokescreens and the real owner to 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq hasn't come forward, but that seems very unlikely.

The shares/companys(BitPride, LabRatMining ...) that looks like they diden't survive after bitfunders closure that ukyo's mentioned address had shares in was all very small holdings 0-2 btc so those don't matter much for the total.
Nee & Bee, Rentalstarter, Addiction and to some extent Activeminer have been traded after the closure of bitfunder, it could also have been trades in satushipoker. In Btcquick it will probably take 6-12 months before ukyo gets his money out from that and the investment Ukyo have in Graets loan, there how long it will take will probably depends on how many TH people mines with on Graets pool when Ukyo gets that one payed back. Btcinvest that one kate from ciphermine can probably pay out part of the holdings directly to people that has invested in BTCINVEST but when that can be done only she can tell you. If tradefortress will ever be found and the rest of the funds btc will be payed out is harder to say.

Sounds good. Ill try asking ukyo when hes in IRC again.

btw BtcQuick has been dissolved and ascension, the former "CEO" of Btcquick has neither delivered any information about the remaining assets as he promised nor he was active in the last 3 weeks; so i guess ýou can cross that of the list