Quote from: be.open on Today at 06:37:16 PM

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Quote from: af_newbie on Today at 05:10:22 PM

I did not read it.

I do not care what it says. I care what Russians are doing on the ground, not what they say or sign.

Any agreements with Russia are not worth much.

Only total and absolute demilitarization of Russia will lead to long-lasting peace.

Anything else is just postponing the inevitable. Russia is on a collision course for a total destruction.

Why doesn't this surprise me anymore? The document is good, it is an excellent example of the high-quality diplomatic work of all the parties involved. And there is not even anything shameful or humiliating for Ukraine - not in a single point. It was a great chance for Ukraine to keep control of its borders, just stop shooting, give a little more local autonomy to Donbass and let it speak its native language in its native land. Everything! Ukraine could use methods of indirect political influence and in just a few years make Donbass loyal to Kiev again. It was so easy to do if you wanted peace, not war. Ukraine didn't even try! Zelensky did not even try, although he came to power on promises to end the war in the Donbass. For years they sabotaged the implementation of the Minsk agreements and prepared to deliver a decisive blow to the Donbass and Crimea. How can you be so stupid as to seriously prepare to attack Russia? I understand that you still think that Crimea is Ukraine, but since 2014 it has been officially part of Russia and the attack on Crimea is an attack on Russia. Is it really possible to be so idiotic as to believe in yourself SO much? Like, yes, the Third Reich failed to do this, but we will definitely succeed, are you serious? And a month later, run around knocking on all the thresholds, shouting "give us weapons, give us money, give us at least something." Some surrealism.

How many dead Russians is a good price for Crimea/Donbas?

20,000?
200,000?
2,000,000?
20,000,000?
72,000,000?

What is your number at which you would say that Crimea's annexation is not worth it? Give me your number.

Join the Russian army, or if you are too old, send your sons to serve your Rodina and go to Ukraine to die for Crimea?