Quote from: Pamadar on Today at 05:45:45 PM

Quote from: sensimilia on Today at 02:55:43 PM

Quote from: BitcoinIsABubble on March 14, 2022, 09:51:14 AM

Borrowing money from the bank to invest in crypto is essentially betting on which asset would appreciate more, a currency which suffers from inflation and has unlimited supply or an asset with storing value + utility. So yes, it would be weird not to do it.

If he's talking about some ideas about Bitcoin, then politely, here's the market for a while. He has no idea if they'll repay the loan, but we've mentioned the possibility of Bitcoin, but there's not much tension. After a while, the market will return to normal, but investors will be under a lot of pressure to repay the loan if they have some patience, then their problem will be solved from here.

Best if he has other resources to pay that loan aside from waiting for his investment to grow.

This volatile industry is unknown. I mean, the chance is there either you'll gain profits or if the market does the sideways and
you don't have that knowledge and do the panic, the chance of losing a big portion of your loan money will be burned.
Unless you really have a deeper knowledge and you are willing to take that big risk, you never know what the future will be
the chance is equal to everyone it's on you take whether to deal with it or not.

You have the right idea, Pamadar; however, i just believe that you have not fleshed out the situation very well in terms of the value of being able to use a loan.

Of course, the bet could work out either way, and so that is part of the justification that anyone using a loan to speculate on bitcoin (or front load his investment) is prepared that the BTC price could move in either direction during the time of the loan. There are ways to calculate a present value to the money, which I had done in some of my earlier posts in this thread.

Yeah, it is not guaranteed that the loan will pay off, but it is not merely a random assertion that it might work and it might not, and of course, everyone who is contemplating going through a process to use loan money to possibly increase their BTC stash, and to front load their BTC investment timeline should at least go through the individual calculation that attempts to account for the actual terms of the loan and the various up and down scenarios and then decide if overall it is better to get the loan rather than not getting the loan. It could be a close call, and for sure, folks who have a lot more resources can both negotiate better loan terms, but also they can deal with negative outcomes too, including paying the loan off from sources outside of BTC's price going up (which it might not happen by the time the loan comes due).

Quote from: Falconer on Today at 05:56:14 PM

We really shouldn't be greedy because crypto is a very volatile asset so we should also be aware that at any time the price could drop far below what we expected.

Actually, the point about NOT being too greedy, is a good one because historically, bitcoin has shown that ONLY a relatively small amount of capital invested into it could pay of stupendously. So if we might be recommending anywhere between 1% and 25% of an investment portfolio could end up in BTC, if an investor had put that 1% into bitcoin at any time before 2012, the 1% may well have ended up being 95% or more of overall value, if the value had not been reallocated.

Of course, some aspects of bitcoin's upside potential has gone away, so the downside is less risky, but the upside is also less likely to appreciate 1,000x... or even 160x as it had done if an investor had gotten into bitcoin in 2015 when BTC was in the lower $200s for a considerable time for that whole year (2015 I mean).