Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2022, 06:31:13 PM

... I'm talking about civilians being killed by Russian soldiers in occupied territories. Lots of proof of that, which Russian propaganda labelled as fake, up to and including drone videos and satellite photos, we've been through that. You can keep claiming it's fake but to any reasonable person it's reasonable evidence of killing civilians.

Looting has also been widely documented, including Russian soldiers shipping the "goods" home from Belarus.

Do you know what evidence is accepted by courts as irrefutable? I'm asking because the Pentagon could not unequivocally confirm the version of Ukraine about Bucha, and the head of the UN asked for an independent investigation.
That is, the Pentagon is not sure, the UN doesn't know, but suchmoon from the Bitcointalk has already figured out everything. Only as a result of a forensic examination will established the exact date, place and cause of death of the Bucha residents.

The satellite images which were published by the NYT, raised questions from a Turkish news site after examining the satellite's trajectory and the direction of the shadows in the images.

In addition, what can you say about the residents of the Rozovsky district in Zaporozhye, who, instead of fleeing without looking back or fighting against Russia, voted to join the Donetsk People's Republic, who are in alliance with Russia?

Also, the Dutch journalist Sonya Van Den Ende released a report from Volnovakha (Donbass), after this place was occupied by Russian troops. The journalist doesn't say that the military commit war crimes against Ukrainian civilians.

About looting. Presumably you mean this video? - https://youtu.be/6vyY4rnJ7lA
If there is a strong evidence, then criminal cases of looting should be opened in Ukraine and Russia, the names of conditional criminals and the amount of stolen goods should be announced at the official level. Has anyone heard of this or are all investigations and persecutions now taking place only in the information field?

Quote from: suchmoon on April 18, 2022, 06:31:13 PM

Quote from: Veleor on April 18, 2022, 04:37:01 PM

5. "Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population".
This is a very serious accusation. What are you basing it on?

Mariupol.

Here is a very fresh video from Mariupol: https://youtu.be/YZGo5roYEJE

The fact that this is Mariupol in 2022 is partially confirmed by the words at the end of the video about the escaped mayor Vadim Boychenko, as well as about the military who are hiding at the plant and the name of the street.
In this video, several women in broad daylight on a busy street publicly accused the Ukrainian army of crimes against local residents. Do you think they brazenly lie, not being afraid that passers-by may catch them in a lie? Or maybe all these people on the street are actors or too scared to tell the truth? Submit your versions.
If you do not believe these reports, then invite independent journalists and human rights activists who will interview the population of Mariupol about what has been happening in the city for the past two months.

Probably, many forum users will be interested to know what they talked about. I will quote their words here.

00:00 - 00:13 First woman (with girl)
We ask for a parade! And we want these Ukrainians who destroyed our city to be taken out at the parade and we want to spit in their faces because our children are suffering.

00:13 - 00:20 Second woman (without right arm)
They left us without shit, without food, without water. Sorry, I'm disabled, without a hand. They left me with shit.

00:20 - 00:35 First woman continued
They drove into the yards and shot. They said: "This is for you because you made a referendum in 2014". They drove back and forth here and shot in the yards. They said: "If you interfere with us, then we shoot to kill".

00:35 - 00:40 Third woman
They took people out of the 9-floor house and said...

00:40 - 00:41 First woman screamed
Women were raped!

00:41 - 00:48 Third woman
... that people have to leave their homes within an hour, and after that they set fire to everything, and ...

00:49 - 01:00 First woman
Personally, we ... the 9-floor house was on fire, we personally were in a bomb shelter, the boys helped people take things out to the bomb shelter. They started shooting at the legs.

01:00 - 01:02 The operator asks
Who? Who?

01:02 - 01:11 First woman
This is Ukraine, our so-called defenders who hide, bitches, in factories! It's these creatures that we want to spit in the face.

01:11 - 01:25 Second woman (without right arm)
They asked residents: "Is it possible to climb onto the 9-floor house? The residents said "no". Then, they say: "The kingdom of heaven to you", - they said to these people who lived in the house. This is the kingdom of heaven for them.

01:25 - 01:28 First woman
Yes, yes. Broke houses.

01:28 - 01:33 Third woman
There are houses completely burnt out, 9-floor houses.

01:37 - 01:50 Fourth woman (older)
Let me tell. My dad is 84 years old from the left bank, in order to get to his daughter, he walked along the road under fire. It was picked up and brought to me by volunteers.

01:51 - 01:55 First woman
Let the whole country know that western Ukraine is a brute!

01:56 - 02:00 Third woman shouts at some passerby
12 corridors are open?!... Not a single corridor was! No one!

02:00 - 03:10 First woman
Let them come and recover everything that they have destroyed. They will eat pancakes, and we will rebuild it? Here behind Levchenko (apparently about the street) people were sitting, they were kept there. They were told that if you leave, we will shoot you as traitors. Women were raped, men were beaten. Corpses, here you go. They say: "Here is your 200th, if you want, take it". Burial was not even allowed. That's what the creatures did! Today people went, my neighbor's boyfriend went to take our work books, and he says: "It's good that you didn't go with me, it's just hot there. Dogs carry corpses and dogs eat it all". It's terrible what's going on. The children saw it all (points to the girl), they see everything. This is a brute. When the DPR came in, I swear to you (she crosses herself), I cooked porridge for them. I cook porridge, the boys came in. Porridge, medicines - everything is for them. I say, boys, thank you very much. I want to say thank you to Russia for freeing us from this beast.

03:10 - 03:20 Third woman
Such information has reached us, maybe it's gossip. Zelensky said that he gives 10 years to those who receive Russian rations.

03:20 - 03:26 First woman
Where is Zelensky?! Where is our Boychenko?! Where?!

03:26 - 03:32 Third woman
Didn't help at all, he abandoned people and simply vanished!

Quote from: Toughit on April 18, 2022, 05:21:05 PM

... although the portable crematoriums used in Ukraine by the Russians gives me pause to think

As far as I understand, the source for the rumors about Russian mobile crematorium is an article in The Telegraph magazine.
Apart from rumors, is there any evidence that Russian troops are now using similar machines in Ukraine? The firm that produces them claims that they are "not intended to be used for ritual purposes and the destruction of Gruz-200 (i.e. dead bodies)."

Quote from: Hetadrop on April 18, 2022, 05:12:57 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

I have already commented on the Wagner group before.

Quote

If compare the Russian "Wagner Group" and the Ukrainian "Azov Battalion", the difference between them is that the "Wagner Group" is an unofficial private organization, while "Azov" is the official unit of the National Guard of Ukraine. US Congress recognized "Azov" as a neo-Nazi entity and banned the supply of weapons to them. According to The Economist the Wagner Group is called "Putin's private army", because the head of Ukraine’s security services called it that. But in addition to the words of a Ukrainian official, are there any evidence?