Re: Announcing Wasabi Wallet 2.0

Would you say it's "OK" for them to use some mixer that could taint their coins if all they want is mere privacy?

Well, first of all, the anonymity set of 'all UTXOs' is much larger than 'only the clean ones', so by definition, not caring about taint gives you more privacy. Do note that not all 'tainters' have the same definition; which means to be 'really on the safe side', you need to take the intersection of all 'clean pools' and try to get a UTXO out of there. I believe it will prove pretty difficult. I mean, what's the utility if you get a 'clean coinbase utxo' which you can only send back to Coinbase, because other exchanges have a different definition and according to them, it is tainted?

Quote from: Wind_FURY on April 17, 2022, 05:42:54 AM

What would you say to them if they're coins are withheld by an exchange because of taint?

You just told me your friends care about privacy, but then you are telling me they use a centralized exchange. This doesn't add up. If they care about privacy, they are using a decentralized exchange which doesn't care about some arbitrary party's definition of taint.

I have deleted my original post, in reply to you. I don't want to be offensive, but get the real context of my original point. "My friends" are ordinary users who merely want to make their transactions sent to porn sites, and sex toy merchants to be untraceable from their wallets. They don't care about privacy as "privacy in an idealistic sense". They merely want privacy in a practical sense.

Hey, no need to delete anything, please! We're just discussing, it's all good. I understand; they want privacy from their significant other or something like that - well for that prepaid cards could suffice or maybe they should just sort out their personal issues. Anyhow; if they do buy something that has to be secret in their marriage (but also possibly country / community / social circle), do note that if they buy through a centralized exchange, their wife could get the withdrawal address from the exchange by calling them. Then she could trace the payment. Is this why they would want to use CoinJoin (through Wasabi)? If the wife wouldn't go to such lengths, the only 'privacy issue' would be that the exchange knows they're buying adult material; why is that an issue? If it's not a marital issue but indeed a political one, they should be much more careful and really avoid a centralized exchange; no matter if coinjoining or not.
So while I get your point in a way, personally I try not only telling people about Bitcoin but also how / where to get it and why. They should get a full understanding of what they're pouring their hard earned money into, and not live in an illusion of privacy or security when there is none.

Ser, you're nitpicking, and you're trying to take the discussion out of context, therefore creating a straw man. That post of your is not the point. The point is there will be Bitcoin users who merely want a little privacy/untraceablity without the danger of the taint. Does everything have to be in an idealistic sense? If you believe yes, then would you recommend everyone to buy and HODL Monero? I believe they are very idealistic about privacy.