Quote from: be.open on May 05, 2022, 06:59:02 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on May 05, 2022, 07:51:35 AM

Yeah, I just don't see any reason why the Russians would want it, especially since the peeps in that are are likely to be much less friendly (even in the post Zenensky period.) I don't really fully buy the argument of 'de-nazification' which strikes me as mostly a PR-friendly excuse. The benefits of chasing the Nazis into the West is probably not worth the hassles, costs, and risks, and they would just back-fill when the area is vacated anyway.

I think we will soon see how events will develop in the West of Ukraine, because until the complete liberation of Donbass this is not a paramount issue and there are many interested parties, including Poland, Romania, Hungary and even Moldova. I'm not even sure that the West of Ukraine is now subordinate to Kyiv.

Quote from: paxmao on May 05, 2022, 09:01:39 AM

You still do not see it. Putin has been brought into a war that is a trap.

Do you now mean that Russia has become a victim of external manipulation and is not to blame for the invasion of Ukraine? This is something new from you.
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Thanks for recognising that it is an invasion (not a liberation, denazification nor anything else but an invasion - your own words).

- Nothing is happening
- Just an operation
- This is an invasion < ----- you are here Undecided

- This is a war between Russia and Ukraine.
- This is a war of aggression by Putin.
- This is a crime.

No, I mean exactly what I wrote: that Putin has been brought into a war that is a trap. He is to blame for the invasion because he decided to invade - he may have decided something else, but he lacks a group of people that can tell him he is wrong and has been fooled into believing he could achieve a quick win. Him and his circle have starting something they cannot finish. There are winners in this war, Russia is not one of them.

Quote from: be.open on May 05, 2022, 06:59:02 PM

Quote from: paxmao on May 05, 2022, 09:01:39 AM

My questions is.. do you also feel superior to all Semitic races and cultures?

I don't know how to formulate it. It seems strange to me that some people read and write from right to left, like Arabs and Jews. It also seems strange to me that some people read and write from top to bottom, like Chinese or Japanese. Is this a reason for me to feel superior because I read and write from left to right? I think not, although reading and writing from left to right personally seems to me definitely more familiar and convenient. And biodiversity is definitely important to me - that's why I'm willing to put up with the oddities of people of other nationalities, as long as they don't impose their cultural values on me as the only correct ones.

I do not see a "no" here. Let's leave it there.

Quote from: be.open on May 05, 2022, 06:59:02 PM

Quote from: paxmao on May 05, 2022, 09:01:39 AM

BTW, you do not seem to understand the concept of "unconditional", you may have read that in the official media I guess. Unconditional means "no conditions" - e.g. you do not get to keep any territory, nor army, nor government. It is all at the will of the victor - e.g. Japan after WW II so that you get the picture. I do not think you honestly believe that is going to happen.

I understand what unconditional means. Ukraine has already demonstrated a complete inability or unwillingness to negotiate, so I think a peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine will be concluded not as a result of successful negotiations, but as a result of the complete defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

A peace treaty? Are Ukraine and Russia at war then? (I think they are, do you?)

Irony apart, there isn't anything like a full defeat, unconditional or conditional or any type of surrender. This is a bear trap and a nasty one.

You demand unconditional surrender from Ukraine while you argue they are not willing to negotiate. I am not sure you what type of deals have you closed in your life - usually someone concedes something and the other concedes as well so everyone is slightly unhappy with the result. In this case, by waging war, I can tell you that both sides are going to be worse off. There is no way the US and Europe are going to let Russia come better-off this war and there is no way Ukraine is going to forget.

But the biggest problem Putin will now face is not Ukraine. Finland, Sweden and Ukraine are certainly now almost forced to join NATO. Europe will take all steps to reduce or remove energy trading with Russia. Congratulations for your victory.

Ukrainian people will pay a high price for freedom - it should have been much easier, if Russia had a decent leadership.