Quote from: be.open on Today at 01:13:13 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on Today at 12:43:34 PM

Quote from: be.open on Today at 10:49:48 AM

Javelins, by the way, say hyped shit, moreover, according to the reviews of Ukrainian soldiers. In Mariupol, the Javelins did not seem to be able to burn a single Russian tank. There are a lot of conditions for successful operation, which are difficult to put together in a real battle.

Javelins need distance. In urban battles NLAW works better. Still needs at least 20 meters. Good thing is that Ukrainians have a wide range of anti-tank weapons.

Javelin is heavy, expensive and not very effective, there are problems with target acquisition. NLAW is very unreliable and frankly weak against a tank with modern dynamic armor. In general, the initial bet on hand-held anti-tank systems did not work, the main tank losses were from artillery.

Quote from: suchmoon on Today at 12:43:34 PM

Funny how bring up Mariupol again, a city that for two months Russians were not able to take with a 10-fold advantage in numbers.

During the assault on Mariupol, Russia did not even have a two-fold numerical superiority. This is perhaps Russia's biggest problem in this operation, with overwhelming technical superiority, there is simply not enough infantry. However, the current pale appearance of Ukraine and NATO standards is all the more dramatic.

Quote from: suchmoon on Today at 12:43:34 PM

Quote from: be.open on Today at 10:49:48 AM

Armata has not yet appeared in Ukraine, apparently, in the opinion of the General Staff, this is not advisable.

Translation from Russian: it's vaporware. Instead of Armata, generals have new dachas. You can't really send a dacha to Ukraine.

Armata is not needed there. Maybe they will bring one or two for tests at the next stage of the operation. At the current stage, risking a fifth generation tank is simply stupid, simpler and well-tested solutions work.

If you continue to test those simpler "proven" solutions with people inside, there may be no more people willing to play dummy.

Javelin's are expensive, agreed. They are 126k USD, but they kill tanks worth 1M USD plus 4 to 5 young Russian soldiers - still good cost-effective. I kind of agree that other AT are better and cheaper.

Nope, NLAW is perfectly effective against Explosive Reactive Armour. See here how the top-attack works. An here how the Russ are using what they call "emotional support armour" or "cope cages" absolutely useless BTW against Javs or NLAWs.

Again, all this is good for short distance. UKR is now getting proper siege artillery, the modern ones that are accurate, fast firing and come with a range of ammo for various situations. We have already seen footage and my guess is we are going to see much more.