Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 06:11:09 AM

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 20, 2022, 09:43:19 PM

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WOW, just... WOW. You're capable of writing all that text and actually say nothing. Unbelievable.

It remains your choice to continue to poo-poo matters and act as if nothing has been said.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

So, there are supposedly more than 18,000,000 of these valuable coins or tokens in the bitcoin system.

Don't get too caught up on the number of units.. because they can be divided further.. so sure in the end there will be 21 million of those units or 2.1 Quadrillion satoshis.. and even satoshis can be further divided to account for likely increasing value/prices in the future.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

A half a trillion dollars worth of assets.

Sure.. current market capitalization is a bit more than half a trillion dollars.. so sure.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

And yet, all those people that are holding those assets, are unable to even eat an apple or put a single dollar into a pocket if someone doesn't voluntarily enter the system and give them that apple or a dollar.

I already addressed this point.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

And all you do in response to this interesting and important fact is writing a wall of text that completely ignores everything. Crazy.

Yes.. your supposed ongoing genius insight seems to continue to fall on deaf ears, and perhaps we are talking passed one another.. I made my points, you made your points, and we did not resolve anything so it seems... but I could give less than two shits about you in particular because you seem to be too stubborn to acknowledge the value and/or importance of BTC - yet since this is a public thread, it may well be a good idea to have responses that other members of the forum and members of the public are going to be able to read.. and maybe even to provide their own response.. besides considering you as a blind and out of touch loon...

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

And you do all that just because you are not willing to admit that some anonymous guy, or group of people, scammed you.

That is a pretty crazy talking point that you got there Snowshow.

It's like you don't have any ability to distinguish bitcoin from various shitcoins.

Have you ever considered bitcoin as a ledger that also transmits value? .... we had never previously been able to transmit value over the internet without having to trust third parties prior to bitcoin. Even the imitation shitcoins and various other projects have not achieved what bitcoin has achieved.. and part of the whole thing keeping bitcoin together is a system of computers in which they are not coordinated and they are built upon incentives that cause them to continue to protect the transactions that are made while also protecting the value that is on the network that could be transacted but is just sitting their in HODL status.

It's a fucking amazing system that has been invented (or discovered) and it has gotten to a state of existence in which no one can stop it without expending a shit tonn of resources, and even if someone tries to stop it, at this point it is questionable whether anyone can stop it or have sufficient incentives to stop such an amazing phenomenon that has come to us in the past 13-14 years and has been increasing and increasing in value through ongoing existence (also known as a Lindy effect).

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

You rather deny a pure and a simple fact that no value exist in the system, instead of just admitting that these anonymous people invented a perfect system for scamming people out of their economic values.

Yes.. your myth about some secret people stealing value, and accordingly, you are either incapable of recognizing the value of a decentralized system in front of your eyes (at least the most decentralized and powerful system that has existed to date) or alternatively you recognize the actual value of such system, and you are merely continuing to spout out misleading and perhaps disinformation talking points on purpose because you and your handlers happen to be scaredy cats.. but instead of being scaredy cats, jump on board.. better late then never in terms of the various status quo institutions that are going to have to transition into the bitcoin ecosystem sooner or later just like most of the worlds monetary value will be gravitating into bitcoin in one way or another.. just might take a few hundred years.... and there are no real needs for us regular folks to plan that far in advance, even if we can see the direction where bitcoin is going.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

What is mind boggling in this whole situation is how fanatically you holders defend those that scammed you.

What's mind boggling is that you want to just keep making shit up. If a better system comes along, then I am sure many of us would be more than willing to abandon bitcoin and move over to such better system, but it so happens to be that bitcoin remains a god damned amazing invention and it is playing out in ways that are likely way better than so many of us could have even imagined.. amazing to see how powerful bitcoin is and even if there are short-term battles with the price (including downward movements), the whole system of bitcoin continues to plug along.. tick tock the next block every 10 minutes.. even if there are quite a few powerful folks who likely wished bitcoin would stop, including you Snowshow and your handlers, but you have no choice and your disinformation and misinformation attempts are likely not to really help, even if you might experience some short-term feelings of success.

Quote from: Snowshow on Today at 05:03:31 AM

Not only that, but you praise them as if they were heroes, or even deity. I guess it's a some kind of Stockholm syndrome.

Who am I praising exactly? bitcoin is decentralized. there is no one to praise.. Satoshi is gone.. and if he came back to try to direct bitcoin, no one would listen to him because not even Satoshi is able to change bitcoin... not that he is coming back.. It is quite likely that Satoshi is dead. therefore, no one is in charge of bitcoin.. bitcoin continues to survive and push on, even though no one is in charge..

go figure.

So, an anonymous guy imagined a number - 21 million, and then he wrote a protocol and set up a system to attribute the units of that number to online addresses. Then people invested an enormous amount of electricity and other economic resources in that system. Then I said: "this is a scam". Because there's nothing in the system from which these people could benefit. And I ever give you a simple empirical test to prove that: show me how can the holders of Bitcoin benefit without someone entering the system? If there's something in the system and this is valuable, then obviously people are able to benefit from that. It's pretty simple. And you know what results this test produces. You know that without someone entering the system, the holders are left with nothing. Which is an indispensable proof that I am right. There's nothing in the system. No value, no resources, nothing. The system is just a means how to trick people out of their value. But you still think I am wrong. You still think there's value in the system. A half a trillion dollars worth of value. Even I you see with your own eyes that not a single human being who enters the system cannot benefit from within the system. That they can't even eat an apple if someone from the outside doesn't bring it into the system. How crazy is that?