Quote from: death_wish on June 01, 2022, 09:54:19 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 01, 2022, 08:20:13 PM

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........if this discussion didn’t involve me, then your question would have me thinking quietly to myself, What’s the next move? Where’s the scam? I want to make it clear that I didn’t say that, I didn’t claim that, I didn’t imply anything to suggest it—looking back at my prior post, I don’t know why you asked it.

.. because each of us have our own ways of presenting our ideas.. whether serious, somewhat serious, jokes, or pokening dee udder peeps.

Thus, your presentation style and wording motivated me to want to inquire.

I suppose that I could have just let it pass, but not really easy to do so.... perhaps a personality flaw in the realm of "inquiring minds want to know?"

Surely, you know that it is up to you whether to answer and how to answer.

Quote from: death_wish on June 01, 2022, 09:54:19 PM

I won’t deny it, either: I really do not answer these types of questions about my identity and personal history. If you were to ask me if I am Napoleon Bonaparte, or if I knew Napoleon—maybe I chatted with him on IRC; or perhaps I’m Talleyrand (no, nullius was Talleyrand; nullius was definitely Talleyrand, which means that Lauda was Napoleon!)—then I would give you a similar type of response.

Well, if you provide these kinds of answers, then surely folks are going to consider asking or maybe even not wanting to ask...

I don't give too many shits in regards to who people are in real life or where they live or what is their professions, but surely some of us will volunteer some of that information from time to time, and if members here provide some of that information, then that could either lead members into asking more about that or just considering that kind of information in regards, to attempting understanding why a person might have framed a subject matter in the chosen way.

I have provided some personal details along the way; however, from time to time, I have also provided some details that are not really true, but I consider them to NOT be taking away from the case that I am making so in that regard, I end up providing some kind of personal details that are kind of true, but not really true, but puts a framework on the points that I am making.

So for example, I might assert that when I was riding my bicycle in the park two weeks ago, I ran into an old friend from college who had been a successful electrical engineer and manager at a company that supplies products/services to Tesla (and his wife is an architect who has been working from home since after the pandemic, but he reports to work 3 times a week since last October), and when I mentioned to him that the markets were crazy, he told me that he had bought x, y and z shitcoins, and his wife was against his getting involved in "crypto." Then when our conversation touched upon bitcoin, he told me that he thought that bitcoin did not have as much upside potential as compared with the various shitcoins that he had gotten into..

There may well be a lot of the areas of that story that are not true, but I still might end up feeling that I am still able to get across my main points regarding what the guy or his wife was doing and what I might have said or considered to be a better path forward.

Of course, any of us might make some mistakes in terms of revealing more than what we wished, and for sure that seems to be once of the risks of participating in a forum like this, and if we provide certain kinds of information, it seems that we should be willing to give further context, and sometimes, I have accused members of pushing x, y or z philosophies based on their own perspective that ends up getting into some of the details that they had provided. We are surely able to have more concrete conversations when members here provide some details.... and even some stories might not even be very plausible based on the details that are provided that might contradict too much in significant, meaningful and material ways.

Some guys even proclaim that they met x, y or z celebrity at an event in xxxx year...so sometimes guys will draw attention to some of their own matters, and I don't see why any of us might not ask or even make a connection and proclaim that in an early post they said x, but in a later post they said y. Seems fair to me.... Did you say that this happened at that location?.. well, maybe it seems important to mention the location at the time, but then later, maybe there is a realization that the location was not as important as the interaction.

Remember that prior to 2019, Local Bitcoins was being used as a very great way to directly connect with people to do bitcoin transactions.. well that got a bit more onerous in 2018 and then it pretty much went away completely in 2019.. at least in the USA.. even though I understand that such Local Bitcoins services can be used in other countries... We need another local bitcoins.. that was a good service for bitcoiners to be able to connect with each other... but sometimes in this forum, if we might talk about transactions that happened on Local Bitcoins, it might well be relevant to describe the area in which the transaction took place in order to help to attempt to better understand the context.

Quote from: death_wish on June 01, 2022, 09:54:19 PM

Having known about cryptographic money since before Bitcoin doesn’t make one terribly special, in itself. Many people were interested in this—some with intense active interest; others with casual curiosity. Satoshi didn’t invent the concept: He fulfilled a widespread need. He made a dream come true.

Difficult to argue with that.

Quote from: death_wish on June 01, 2022, 09:54:19 PM

It does give me a different perspective. A view than the meme crowd could not even imagine, much less people who just bought into Bitcoin in search of dollar-profits. n00bs, get off my lawn!

Sooner or later, the whole world is coming to bitcoin, so I don't see any reason to be hostile in regards to the various perspectives... although of course, on a personal level I do get a bit worked up about shitcoiners who are also bitcoiners..but some of my concerns might deal with language clarity and if I might speculate that there might be too much mixing up of basic terms - including embracing shitcoins in ways that try to suggest that they are similar or equal to bitcoin or superior to bitcoin in some kind of way, even if they might potentially provide some kind of utility or use case that might not be easily achievable by bitcoin, but as soon as there is discussion about a supposed need for a native token on such shitcoin, then my heckles get raised even more in terms of the scamming intentions. I guess that the point that I am attempting to make is that I believe that I have a lot of tolerance for bitcoiners with a variety of perspectives so long as they are not pushing some kind of shitcoin.. and if they are at least attempting to learn about bitcoin promote bitcoin and even if they might consider that bitcoin might need to be changed in various ways, they are trying to learn about bitcoin in such a way to help to contribute or to figure out if their views of how bitcoin might need to be changed is an adequate and informed criticism rather than being based on lack of understanding. Nothing wrong with those kinds of conversations even with normies, newbies and even folks who seem to have very little technical knowledge, at least from my perspective.

Quote from: death_wish on June 01, 2022, 09:54:19 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 01, 2022, 08:20:13 PM

Quote from: death_wish on June 01, 2022, 07:02:47 PM

Aside, I must express my supreme contempt for the petty narcissists who think that the important thing about Bitcoin is for them to throw their weight around on an Internet forum. Ultimately, they don’t matter; in 20 years, it will be as if they never existed. But meanwhile, they are both annoying and disgusting: They don’t care about Bitcoin.

Are you referring to anyone in particular?

Asking for a friend.

My only friend in the whole world, aka suchmoon.

Of course—obviously—in one specific instance. But I wouldn’t bother with mentioning it, if the statement were not more widely applicable. It is a general problem. Unfortunately, types like that are a dime a dozen in “crypto”-land.

It still seems to me to get back to attempting to accept all kinds of perspectives, and sure there might be some folks who we find annoying.. and some folks who we might consider as back stabbers, so sure we do not need to like everyone in bitcoin - because sooner or later, everyone will be coming to bitcoin.. so maybe it is still a bit of a novelty that we still have a relatively low level of bitcoin adoption, relatively speaking.

By the way, there have been guys who have gone into pretty heavy battles with me on the forum, but sometimes those battles will end up dying down.. and other times, I know that the battles are lingering... so yeah, the other side might make digs from time to time, and I might make some digs from time to time, and in the end, I am not sure... if some of the resentments might pass or not. Sometimes, I do become less irritated with certain forum members than I might have been at some earlier date.. and there are some members who bother me on a kind of internal level, but I might not say anything (so I am aware that other members have similar feelings with me.. I surely would get annoyed if I were to have to read some of my own posts.. so skimming and ignoring might work.. So far, I don't ignore forum members.. but I do skim and even skip though)...