Quote from: LegendaryK on June 05, 2022, 07:40:53 PM

So to keep the btc cult from wasting anymore of my time, I shall leave you to make false assumptions at the glory of your dying PoW tech.
Cool

Thanks. Your leaving will likely be very helpful, especially since your points (to the extent that you have any) are hardly even logically or factually coherent in their actual attempts to deal with actual contributions that bitcoin makes that largely, but not exclusively, achieved because it has POW.. and would not amount to anything if it were a lame-ass and largely scam motivated and vulnerable POS system that you suggest as being preferable..

Quote from: tadamichi on June 05, 2022, 08:22:59 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 05, 2022, 07:18:46 PM

Yes.. that is about 110 to 120 years into the future. Sure, we need to plan ahead, but I doubt that your assertion that no solution has been found is even accurate. It's not like a solution has to be found for every single hair brained theory when we do not even know if the facts are going to evolve into that direction... Makes no sense to have a solution ready for every single possible problem that could happen. In other words, there seems to be sufficient and adequate evidence that whatever is happening in bitcoinlandia at this time, is a sufficient and adequate balance of what is perfect (or good enough. .or whatever other qualifier that might fit here) for now and sufficiently and adequately balanced for a variety (if not an overwhelming majority of likely and unlikely scenarios) of future scenarios.

I think this is also important, the people that will need to solve this arent alive yet. And we cant know what their world will look like. Its all just speculation. I think Bitcoin will give them best possible basis to find a sound solution to this, for the reality they will be living in. We cant design a system for a world that doesnt exist yet, so we gotta make sure Bitcoin fits the needs of our reality first, to even survive this long. Its like someone in the 1900s trying to plan how we should live now. But thats what shitcoiners dont get. Systems are also about the people using them, its not about fancy founders with 10.000 prices and fancy features. A system needs to serve its users first, once it stops doing this it will just get abandoned or circumvented. It doesnt matter if a network has 10 trillion tps or 5.000% yield, if i cant even run a full node myself and a small group of people has control.

I don't disagree with any of the points that you are making, tadamichi.. yet.. of course, we are learning about bitcoin as we go - with 13.5 years of a track record of its actual going live, but then based on various resolutions of issues that had not been put together in the way that bitcoin achieved... but the bitcoin system that is in place seems to have a certain amount of difficult to change (some refer to as ossified) features..

But then when it comes to something like whether bitcoin needs to scale better or whether bitcoin might need to improve on some of the incentives in order to maintain security or maintain other possible practicalities, then the level of then adoption, how bitcoin is then being used and whatever other evolving issues might then be presented would have to be taken into account rather than what had seemed to have been stwenhao dumbass presentation regarding fixing future problems that we are not sure will or will not exist... or whether they will need to be resolved or whether there might be some easy then solution or some more complicated possible need that would exist at that future date.

Of course, stwenhao is smarter than everyone else, and he can see where this bitcoin's incentives to secure the base layer matter is going, so he would like to warn us about fixes that we need to make now.