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Quote from: LoyceV on June 12, 2022, 08:23:56 AM

Yes. Privacy is a human right.

I affirm that the right to privacy is a right that has limits and it is good that it has them, and I would like to know if you agree with this or not, because if not, it seems to me that it is not worthwhile to continue debating on the subject.
Privacy has to have some limits from the moment you live in society.

Agreed. I noticed the word arbitrary in Article 12:

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No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy

That's an interesting choice of words, which leaves a lot of room for law makers to collect information.

Quote from: Poker Player on Today at 07:16:10 AM

Part of privacy is the right to secrecy of communications, but if the authorities believe you are breaking the law, they can spy on your communications to check if you are indeed doing so.

Defending that you have the right to 100% privacy with Bitcoin is the same as defending it in this aspect and I, although I defend the right to privacy to a certain extent, recognize that it has to have some limits.

I don't know if you are arguing that the authorities should not have the right to violate your privacy either in any case such as the one above.

I agree there are limits. And I have no problems with government cracking down on (suspected) criminals.
What I do have a problem with, and which has been in the news several times in the past years, is government agencies illegally listening in on many private conversations (the so called drag-net approach).
Where I live, we have quite good privacy laws, but they're violated by many if not most organisations, including government itself.

Quote from: n0nce on June 12, 2022, 11:15:13 PM

Alright; that's a good point, however I still don't know why the entities pushing against this human right (politicians, lawmakers, ...) would treat 'Bitcoin with protocol level privacy' any different from 'Bitcoin with high-level privacy' (that comes from ChipMixer or other non-traceable origin). To them I don't think it matters why they can't trace it, just that they can't - and that's what they push back against. They couldn't care less in which layer we implement privacy, in my opinion.

You're probably right: they'll still try to get rid of Bitcoin, just like they're (slowly) trying to get rid of cash money.