Quote from: vjudeu on June 14, 2022, 09:29:33 AM

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Right. So they ought to enforce that behavior but the problem is they don't know how. Because how do you tell the difference between someone storing data and someone storing bitcoin?

Using "trap addresses" is the worst case, because there is no reason to do so. Also, it is more expensive than witness or OP_RETURN.

And yet the bitcoin protocol allows us to send funds to "trap addresses". This costs a fee. So the network is compensated for it. The network will then store this utxo for as long as it takes until the utxo is spent. That is how bitcoin works. The utxo might never be spent. That's part of the bitcoin protocol. The transaction fee was meant to pay for storage in the utxo set.

Now are you suggesting that utxos that are older than a certain number of blocks be purged from the database or sent to some intermediary storage where they won't pollute the utxo set for any longer? If so, maybe you can create a BIP for that.

I do understand why people get upset when people don't use OP_RETURN in favor of burner addresses but they're not arguing from a very leveraged position when they do that...meaning the bitcoin protocol allows for it. And they're saying please dont do it. So basically you're telling people how to use their money. it is their money and they should be free to spend it anyway the bitcoin protocol allows.

The worst thing is when people try and say "dont do this and dont do that because it's bad for bitcoin" when bitcoin itself allows it.

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So why you think that using "trap addresses" is better than OP_RETURN?

you're asking me why I personally think that? not a big fan of op_return since "Many members of the Bitcoin community believe that use of OP_RETURN is irresponsible in part because Bitcoin was intended to provide a record for financial transactions, not a record for arbitrary data" not a big fan of trap addresses either since i'm not the type of person to set fire to a $100 bill.

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Why do you want to make it harder for other people to run their nodes?

Do you think it would be fair for someone running a business to curse out a customer that comes in the door 5 minutes before closing complaining that they are tired and don't want to help them? No they have to suck it up and keep their own personal issues in the rear with a smile on their face. And if they don't like the way things work then talk to the company and change the closing time to 30 minutes earlier.

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Just use "createwallet" or create it from graphical interface.

I wasn't looking to create a new wallet. I already had a funded multisig address. Was just needing to spend from it.

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Each block header has 80 bytes. So heavy, isn't it?

I don't know man. This was a portable version of electrum and it went wild downloading blocchain headers. I think the filesize was a couple hundred megabytes before I just stopped the program and deleted that big file. I don't need that.

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As you point out, it does have its limitations in the sense that you can't look up other peoples' transactions so if you needed to do that then you have to trust a 3rd party.

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You don't have to trust anyone. You can use "importprunedfunds". You can ask any full node operator to execute "gettxoutproof" for you.

I'm very unfamiliar with bitcoin core as far as that goes. All I know is I used it once to create a spending transaction using a multisignature address but in order to do that I had to use a block explorer to get the transaction inputs. Because I wasn't going to download the blockchain myself. It would have been nice to be able to simply issue commands and get those things but that seemed impossible.