Quote from: death_wish on Today at 11:32:53 AM

Jay, I am writing another reply to you. This first:

Quote from: JayJuanGee on Today at 10:30:16 AM

Quote from: death_wish on Today at 06:55:22 AM

Modification of terms: I say that there is also at least one other PM, in addition to the one to Wilhelm (which I did not know about).

Accruing evidence of habitual PM-begging.

I believe that it may well be acceptable to describe some contents and context of PMs.. but it is generally not a good practice to either disclose them or offer to expose them.. and I am not sure if the fact that such PMs might break forum rules would be enough because there is already a remedy for that, which is to hit the report button within the PM.

It is generally not a good practice, as a matter of etiquette and common decency. I am deeply sensitive to the privacy of good-faith correspondents, with whom I am mutually engaged.

That generality does not apply to unsolicited requests for money—i.e., beggar-spam. Especially not from a random stranger. (It also does not apply to personal attacks and harassment from trolls, etc.)

Please also remember that I didn’t just suddenly start getting PMs dragged out in public. I started with what you say: “describe some contents and context of PMs”. I briefly noted that Dabs had a history of begging for money in PMs. goldkingcoiner lashed out at me, insulted me, smeared me as a liar—and he demanded evidence. Well, that last part is reasonable enough! I am a big believer in going by the evidence.

My word has been challenged. I called on Dabs to come clean; he has not done so, and at this point, I think it may be too late. If I seek to establish that anyone who called me a liar is, in fact, lying about me, then any and all extant Dabs begging PMs are the evidence.

And—I know you are aware of this, Jay; but for the n00bs, I should make it clear that posting PMs is not against forum rules.

Re: Publicly posting PMs

Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2013, 06:34:48 PM

There is no restriction against it. PM = Personal Message, not Private Message.

Quote from: theymos on July 14, 2013, 06:52:45 PM

Compare "private interview" to "personal interview" or "private locker" to "personal locker". Something private isn't expected to be made public, but something personal is only owned by or associated with a single person, not necessarily with a strong guarantee of privacy.

Fair enough... there may well be times in which either personal messages are posted or referred to in terms of some kind of evidence of character or conduct.... which might even delve into fuzzy areas of whether some forum rules might have been broken or there are attempts to use reputation in questionable ways.. even though raising the contents of PMs as an issue might not be the go to first step in regards to some kind of a dispute.. .. as you have already conceded that

I doubt that we have a whole hell of a lot of tolerance for getting into too much reputation disputes in this thread, and there have been times in which solicitation has been allowed here (or looked the other way)..and so sometimes the line between soliciting on behalf of a member or some charity or something that might be "acceptable" might not be clear.. but surely sometimes it can end up going too far... and gosh a lot of us are likely feeling tough times current..... some worse than others for sure.. . even though maybe some folks have good intentions they might get tricked into some of these kinds of matters.. I frequently tend to attempt to not get involved.. but even that.. maybe there could be obligations to say something from time to time..

Also I would rather talk about king daddy too.. but king daddy seems to be kind of "on the ropes" at the moment, so even my lil precious is not a very exciting topic.. hard to find silver linings in overshooting and seemingly never ending times like these.. except maybe some froth is being fleshed out.. uncomfortable as it feels as it remains ongoing, persistent and insistent...