Quote from: jokers10 on June 18, 2022, 02:25:33 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 17, 2022, 10:09:48 PM

As far as I have heard, so far there is no goal to educate Salvadoreans about "crypto" unless it is incidentally to focus on bitcoin, and to imply to stay away from that other shit. The same would be true in regards to the various other non-governmental forces in El Salvador which would be focusing on bitcoin, lightning network and matters related to those - not shitcoins or "crypto" .. fuck that shit..

Of course, there would be no way to completely escape shitcoins and their desires to figure out ways to attempt to benefit from El Salvador's decision to make bitcoin legal tender.. so I suppose I am not going to disagree that there may well be ongoing needs to make sure that stupid-ass vague framings such as "crypto" does not confuse bitcoin with shitcoins and some of the likely incidental needs to clarify those kinds of points that bitcoin and crypto is not the same thing... so stop trying to suggest that there is some kind of first order need to educate about "crypto" in El Salvador when that is not the case in El Salvador.. at least not any kind of primary focus.

You have no option of using bitcoin directly, you need some software like wallet. Interacting with such software means you need to understand how crypto works (and why Chivo wallet is not as safe as an open source non custodial wallet).

It is not directly what bitcoin is.

Huh? You seem to be talking about something else.

El Salvador implemented a law that made bitcoin legal tender.

Yes, there are a variety of implementation questions, but those implementation questions are about bitcoin and bitcoin related matters.

When people use the term crypto, they are either just being vague in terms of not knowing how to employ the word bitcoin into their language, or they deceptively talking about something that is not bitcoin, such as shitcoins.

Let's not get into technicalities, just clear up your language jokers10 so we can attempt to understand if you are talking about bitcoin or some other topic..

Quote from: jokers10 on June 18, 2022, 02:25:33 PM

LN is not bitcoin also, it is made to work with bitcoin but not is bitcoin itself.

What's your point? lighting network (LN) is a way of transmitting, storing and facilitating various services on bitcoin.. sure it is a slightly different thing than bitcoin, but it is related to bitcoin, and a way to attempt to utilize bitcoin... in terms of not being bitcoin, who gives any ratts' asses about that? You seem to be getting distracted if you are proclaiming that LN is not sufficiently bitcoin, so therefore you can vaguely refer to all kinds of other bullshit including but not limited to vague use of the term crypto.. as if it is some kind of an opening to speak in gobbledy gook.. and I have some difficulties why you are even trying to defend your use of the term.. .. can you at least try to clarify what you mean and put bitcoin in there and maybe repost what you were trying to say.. if you actually were trying to speak about bitcoin rather than just purposefully propagating confusion regarding what points you might have had, if any?

I don't really mean to be confrontational, but your choice to double down on seemingly meaningless mumbo-jumbo does not come off as really helpful in getting anywhere either...

Quote from: jokers10 on June 18, 2022, 02:25:33 PM

So we can talk about which part of crypto should Salvadorians be educated first (including why other cryptocurrencies are risky to use) but not that there should be no crypto education at all.

Are you talking about bitcoin or what? Maybe you can clarify? It is not just about technically attempting to be a purist about word choice, but trying to figure out what are you talking about exactly?

Sure there have been some criticisms that the El Salvador government did not make enough efforts to educate people about various aspects of their implementation of the bitcoin law, but a lot of those accusations are vague because there seems to be all kinds of activities around the fact that the bitcoin law has been implemented in the first place and even the fact that the law has provided a kind of space in which it becomes way easier to learn about bitcoin as a topic and also to actually apply it whether individually or various institutions or businesses. I doubt that there is any rush to force people to learn, so there is likely a lot of back and forth in terms of a lot of different efforts that sometimes might come through governmental actions and mandates and implementation measures, and the various ways that individuals and other non-governmental actors are taking actions too.

Again, maybe you can attempt to specify what it is that you are talking about and how it relates to what you envision to be happening in El Salvador in relation to bitcoin? Yeah, of course there is the Chivo wallet and there are other wallets too, and we have seen some various posts about some of the data related to expanded usage of various bitcoin related systems in El Salvador, but we have also seen reports and claims that there might be some concerns that adoption is happening too slow or that the population is overly confused about what is bitcoin, and even you suggested that these matters take time.. but you did not use the word bitcoin so it became a bit more difficult trying to figure out what you might have been contemplating to be going on in El Salvador or what they were doing there back to your choice to ongoingly use of such vague term such as crypto.

Quote from: jokers10 on June 18, 2022, 02:25:33 PM

When I talk about crypto to be taught I mean what is bitcoin,

Why not use the term bitcoin then, if that is what you were talking about? It does not make you appear smarter or more academic or detached to use a vague term such as crypto if you are really talking about bitcoin. Do you have some other reason to not use the term bitcoin so we know that's what you meant?

Quote from: jokers10 on June 18, 2022, 02:25:33 PM

how decentralization works, how to use wallets and how to choose wallets, what are other cryptocurrencies and which are risks of using them (at least not to be cheated with fake bitcoins and bitcoin forks), what is LN and how it works, — it is a bit wider than to learn bitcoin.

I already responded to the idea that there might be times in which some clarification might be needed in regards to bitcoin as compared with shitcoins or that some wallets might have shitcoin features, but I still doubt that learning about various shitcoins would be central to whatever the Salvadorean government is trying to achieve or any of the non-governmental organizations that are focused on various aspects of helping to educate Salvadorean people regarding El Salvador's bitcoin law implementation. It could be in some sense that we might be quibbling, about how any particular education campaign might be framed or the kinds of subjects that might come up and choices that individuals might take in terms of how to present various bitcoin-related topics in El Salvador, but I still doubt any characterization that they have goals to teach about "crypto" in El Salvador or that it is even a good way of trying to describe what has already happened in El Salvador, what the state on the ground in El Salvador is right now and/or what they are trying to do in El Salvador to work towards their bitcoin adoption future.

At the risk of repeating myself too much, yeah of course, shitcoins are in El Salvador and striving to get their little scams into El Salvador, but El Salvador specifically choose to write their law in a way that is bitcoin specific, and shitcoins are different than bitcoin in a lot of ways.. bringing us back to the question about why use the word "crypto" when trying to describe what is happening in El Salvador related to bitcoin.. back to you jokers10?

Quote from: Odusko on June 18, 2022, 09:34:40 PM

This is not the best time for Bitcoin advocacy in and around El Salvador, as the Bitcoin adoption has been viewed as a bad idea by some segments of El Salvadorans because of its volatile nature, and seeing the present Bitcoin price conditions make it hard to b advocate for Bitcoin retail adoption. But before now we all saw how the whole internet and the Bitcoin community was engorged with El Salvador Bitcoin sermons not until the market took a downturn at the beginning of the year 2022.

Huh?

There's nothing wrong for the El Salvadorean government and or related entities to continue to press forward with their bitcoin information and various aspect of their bitcoin implementation. Frequently, a lot of work can get done during times in which BTC prices are suppressed. Of course, current spot price and ongoing dynamics related to BTC spot price is not comfortable for everyone, but I doubt that there is any need to just shut it off, wind it down or whatever other depression-based approach you are suggesting to be the better way forward. Maybe we should just recommend that the El Salvadorean government just shut the whole thing down, like the IMF suggested that they do.. ? The IMF is correct, right? El Salvador should have never gotten involved in such a wild and crazy idea like bitcoin, right? That's the better way to go forward?