Quote from: Murwa on November 02, 2011, 05:28:57 PM

Its an old topic but i will try to answer.

Quote from: mobodick on October 29, 2011, 04:20:40 PM

Would you deny that most people are driven by emotions and desires?

I don't, where did i ?

Quote from: mobodick on October 29, 2011, 04:20:40 PM

What do you mean propaganda?
It's all over history.

History is written by the victors.

Quote from: mobodick on October 29, 2011, 04:20:40 PM

People have feelings and this plan would only work if everyone suddenly decided to ignore them.
Or someone was capable of manipulating the feelings of others to suit the grand purpose.
The idea is based in an utopia and that makes it unachievable.
History tells us that any move towards utopia ends with tyranny

I don't know which utopia you are referring to. Resource based economy is just it. Economic model , it is not like we can create matter out of thin air. It is not like everyone will be happy like on drugs. Where did you imagine such a concept i don't know.

Quote from: mobodick on October 29, 2011, 04:20:40 PM

It is not something that can easily be fixed by education.
Education will help people help themselfs but change is not taught in schools, it needs an incentive, a soil to carry it.
People need to have some sort of bad experience to commit to change.
And i think at the moment most people would not want such a change simply because they have it too good.
That's the reality of things.

Yeah i agree i can see how people are in letarg to even such a basic concept like money out of debt it its effect on their lives. But it is a matter of environment they were condition form the day they were born not to question, get a job and someday get rich.

Quote from: mobodick on October 02, 2011, 09:21:02 PM

The problem is that parents thinking of their children are egoistical (dictated by their biology).
Their deepest drive is not to have a good earth for all children. They want their child to be better than all other children.
Of course i'm generalizing, but that only shows that there are different people on earth with different sets of goals, short and long term.

And i already pointed out that it is not about setting up goals for people but about creating a framework where they are free to pursuit their interests.
I dont understand how concept of abundance fit into those goals.
Is it your opinion that there should be limited unmount of food on earth when we could creates abundance, just because some people have a goal of controlling all farming on the world ( monsanto ) Huh

??

Are you saying we should maintain artificial scarcity ??
I dont understand your train of thoughts at all.

Abundance state is in self interest of all people involved. Do you want to live your live in uncertainty about fulfilling your basic needs or would you rather spend your energy on something better ?
No amount of genes can tell you that option 1 is better no matter what genes makes you.

Quote from: mobodick on October 02, 2011, 09:21:02 PM

You give the example of someone in the middle east hating yankees.
But how is that different from a yankee hating an arab?
Or your neighbour hating you?
Is the capacity for hatered not dictated by genes?

Yes it is. But as you can see the environment triggers them. You don't hate your neighbor out of the blue.

Quote from: mobodick on October 02, 2011, 09:21:02 PM

And maybe i should state again that i am not against the idea of a RBE but i just think that it is not feasible given human nature.

I seriously doubt that that is in human nature not to create of abundance of food around the world if we could. Abundance state in best self interest of all it not out of air concept.
There is only thing stopping us right now it is wrong incentive and corporations like Monsanto that actually would like to control all farming.

I know what...
Write a letter to Putin and ask him nicely if you can use his natural resources so you can start this global resource based economy.
Once you get his reply we can discuss this further.