Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 11:11:58 AM

Stop with the strawmen, please. I've never once blindly accepted anything that pharmaceutical companies claim. I'm evaluating the insurmountable mountain of evidence which shows that vaccines are one of the safest and most effective therapies in healthcare.

A man who works in the medical profession defends the indefensible, so how is it possible that in less than 1 year a vaccine can be invented, tested, produced and declared safe if any other drug requires at least 5 years of clinical research? I'm not talking about vaccines in general, but about specific vaccines that are released to the general population without serious clinical research being conducted on them.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 11:11:58 AM

Anyone who believes some barely literate anti-vax conspiracy nut with absolutely no supporting evidence, data, studies, trials, meta-analyses, over the mountain of scientific evidence, hundreds of thousands of trials, and billions of data points, proving vaccines are safe and effective, is a moron. This applies equally to all walks of life. For example, anyone who believes that the Earth is flat in the face of the unequivocal evidence to the contrary is a moron. Anyone who rejects hard evidence without anything to support their opinion other than "This is what I think" is a moron.

That's the problem of you and others like you, you don't accept anything that doesn't work in your favor, regardless of who it is and how good the research is. Never in history has there been so much ignoring of any criticism and questioning that comes from the other side - I'm not surprised that you use the term "morons", because more or less all governments and influential individuals use it to shame those who oppose their treatment as experimental rats.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 12:35:43 PM

That's very crucial, I ought to say. To clarify, I'm not against vaccinations. I'm against mandatory vaccinations. I've taken 2 doses and had no problem. During the second quarantine (mid-2021), I observed some unconstitutional attitude from the government; the elders were forced to do the vaccine, otherwise they had to pay some hundreds of euros every month, which is when I started getting concerned.

I'm also not against vaccinations, but only with vaccines that have been tested according to medical standards and can be considered safe. When you see how far they were ready to go in restricting human freedoms, up to physical violence in certain parts of the world (especially Australia), then it is clear to you that illness alone cannot be the reason given the very low mortality rate. I didn't have to pay the state because I wasn't vaccinated, but they forbade me to enter all public institutions, and like our colleagues, they called me a moron at every possible opportunity, whether it was politicians, doctors or officials working in state/public institutions.

At the same time, sick people with covid passports are walking around and spreading the virus, which turned out to be a completely failed measure - but if you have a piece of paper on which it says that you received the vaccine, you are considered desirable in society, regardless of the fact that the vaccinated also transmit the virus to the same extent as unvaccinated.