Quote from: PaperWallet on July 16, 2022, 06:44:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 15, 2022, 12:16:29 PM

I must add I am very disappointed in the way you get aggressive and post with a lot of frustration instead engaging with members (who agree or disagree with your version of events) in an acceptable manner. What did you achieve by alienating the FortuneJack representative to the degree they made their final comment on the subject matter?

I was frustrated because I have been a victim of theft. I am not disappointed in the way I reacted and I think it is normal, but that's not the end of it, and more is coming.

Can you elaborate on what is coming? As for you not having regrets about your posting style and chosen words, I hoped you would have a different view retrospectively but I am not in your position and therefore cannot fully understand what you are going through. I do think posting with some control of frustration and anger will be better when engaging with members.

Quote from: PaperWallet on July 16, 2022, 06:44:28 AM

The sooner this gets resolved the better. If you think they were going to pay me my 100k win depending on how I react to their behaviour I think you're mistaken.

I made no such assumption but I do think engaging a general courteous manner with all parties including a reputable gambling/gaming website even if you make a scam allegation against them. I would say that the correct protocol would be to keep calm when engaging with members across the spectrum with differing views while presenting facts and evidence to back up your claim and standing your ground.

And though it would probably mean nothing in the context of this thread, as far my opinion is concerned I am 100% certain (on the basis of what I have read thus far) what is clear is that FortuneJack have not accepted any wrong doing on their part and they claim they operate within their Terms and Conditions.

Quote from: PaperWallet on July 16, 2022, 06:44:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 15, 2022, 12:16:29 PM

If you on one hand are taunting them making it clear you do not want them to make any more comments then why are posting in the forum seeking support? The logical thing to have done would be for you to keep them in the conversation because ultimately they are the ones who could (if they chose to) make any payment to you in the event they accept liability for an error. From what I read thus far they do not accept liability, they claim they did not scam you.

They made a final decision, there is nothing I can do personally. I asked for support to try get the community pressure them.

You seem to have failed, you did not succeed when you attempted to get the community to pressure FortuneJack. The majority of forum members that are aware of the situation have not backed you, your claim or your flag. Does that mean you should change something in your approach or does that mean you are still going to remain on the same track.

Quote from: PaperWallet on July 16, 2022, 06:44:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 15, 2022, 12:16:29 PM

As mentioned, I need to read up on this to understand what happened but assuming what I wrote above is accurate, what would be an acceptable outcome for you?

As of now, they must pay the remaining winnings of my 2 bets + interest rate for being late. Payment must be made in euros values.

It is clear they will never pay you what you are claiming because they deny scamming you and they claim they are operating within their Terms of Service that you signed up to when you decided to play there.

The only option you have is a legal one and that route will mean you having to find a lawyer either on a no-win-no-fee basis or basically you will have to pay their fees from your own pocket. And if you ever got to that stage there is no guarantee you will win.

Quote from: PaperWallet on July 16, 2022, 06:44:28 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on July 15, 2022, 12:16:29 PM

Your flag has far more opposition than it does support, it has no momentum and you seem to have zero chance of FortuneJack accepting liability for your claimed losses and they have already said they will make no more comments regarding this case and you have welcomed that by telling them you do not want them to come back to post about it.

Therefore keeping your stance in mind: what do you hope to achieve by posting about your allegations in the forum?

Lately I have been posting a lot less, and not so much about FortuneJack. Though I hope to get only one person who reads my posts to avoid using FortuneJack, and any of the organisations advertised here, and not fall in the same trap as I did.

Yes I noticed some of your posts in other threads, it is good to see you trying to become a more active member of the community by posting in other threads.

Regarding you wanting to ensure even if one person was to avoid FortuneJack or the other organisations that did not help you then it might be considered as some form of success, I think you have made the point. If you want to regularly bump this thread in order to sustain your aims then it means it might bring you some sort of closure while holding hopes of receiving a payment from FortuneJack.

Other forum members have stated their opinions on how they saw your case and they are entitled to their views. As far as my position is concerned, I still have not read all the information related to the scam allegation but FortuneJack deny wrongdoing as per their Terms and Condition and those were what you signed up on their website. It is clear they will not pay you.

Without a doubt they (FortuneJack) and all other gaming/gambling websites should not allow bets to be placed in the first place if they will be voided later. This is because of the obvious conflict of interest in a scenario:

- there is a win which they could refuse to pay and instead refund the wagered amount and inform the user of a breach of the ToS
- there is a losing bet placed but they will not inform the user about the breach of ToS therefore will not refund that particular bet and the user remains none the wiser

I would advise you to move on from this episode with a view that you wagered around €4700 and won around €92,000. As for the other €5700 you wagered which could have brought you around €100,000, just take it as you receiving your wagered amounts back but the winnings were disputed by the website operator.

If you decide to continue your claim: Can you point out in this link to their Terms and Conditions exactly which parts of the contract you claim were broken by FortuneJack?

And after that, can you point out in the same Terms and Conditions which parts of the contract FortuneJack claim were broken by you?

https://fortunejack.com/faq/terms_and_conditions