Quote from: DrBeer on Today at 10:56:23 AM

Quote from: stompix on July 19, 2022, 04:52:33 PM

~

Not everyone has the goal of having a conceptual dialogue. Some want everyone to know that "solar panels are crap", and "expensive", that "wind stations prevent earthworms from sleeping", that tide stations ... tide stations .... Here's another propaganda of black slurry sellers, nothing came up with, but soon we will hear groans that "because of them, the Gulf Stream will break and everyone will freeze, so urgently buy gas only from us, and at $ 10,000,000 per cubic meter"

Well depends, and you know it because we had this discussion a few months ago
I'm on the same page, as I still believe that solar panels for the industry are crap, but when it comes to households things change dramatically as :

the energy consumption during the night is below 20% of the average. So if you have a 10kwh consumption per 24h, then you will need only 2kwh worth of storage for each night, or...even better, let the grid that is already showing downtrends take care of it and balance.
For the industry, for countries that can't get more than 4 hours of sun on average is still crap.

Wind stations tend to be more reliable as wind patterns are far clearer but still lack the uptime needed, so again I don't think that any of those two are solutions on their own, the only clean solution is to use pump storage facilities, but even those are limited by geographical reasons.

So while I do believe solar will manage to make a dent in peak consumption and they are offering a solution for stuff that works during the day, like public service buildings that open at 11:58 and close at 11:59 Grin

with an afternoon break between, nuclear is the only choice of reliable 24/7 energy that can be used anywhere, literally anywhere! So don't give the Chornobyl reply on this, nor the 8grade Mercalli earthquake and tsunami of Fukushima since Germany has experienced the last major earthquake in 1756.

Sun and wind without a backup solution are not going to fix anything at a national scale, they still need a reliable continuous source, and that is only nuclear.
Of course, this doesn't mean I'm ok with burning gas for electricity, this is the worse compromise that leads nowhere in my opinion.