Quote from: Dunamisx on Today at 04:15:20 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 31, 2022, 08:58:10 PM

Another issue remains that past performance does not guarantee future results, and even if any of us might have come to an assessment that bitcoin is amongst the best of investments to hedge or to supplement or to aggressively allocate, we might end up being wrong in the short term, medium term and/or long term.

JayJuanGee don't you think the long term investment could do more of benefit than the short or medium as it pose less risk of missing out provided that all the required procedures in acquiring the bitcoin is strictly adhere to, one of which is to buy at dip and wait over a long time before the sale, we have other proceedings as well to having the future secured investing in bitcoin

My assumption is not really any different than yours, Dunamisx; however, I was attempting to make the point that there are no guarantees - even though if we research into bitcoin and we can appreciate both what it is providing and appreciate the solid nature of the various network effects and even paradigm shifting contribution of bitcoin, we should be able to recognize and appreciate that bitcoin is likely one of the best wide-spread assymetric bet to the upside opportunities that has been made available to the whole world.. the little guy and the BIG guy, and the fact that it is even available to the little guy makes it an even more amazing opportunity - but still no guarantees.

Of course, BTC price can be manipulated either up or down in the short term for way longer than any of us believe to be possible, and that manipulation does not ONLY come through direct financial tools but it also comes through various kinds of misinformation and disinformation efforts whether those mis/disinformation efforts are coming through governments, financial institutions, status quo rich or through shitcoin pumpers. We have to be able to recognize and appreciate that some of the manipulation efforts are going to be successful from time to time in the short term, especially, so bearwhales would love to get bitcoin to go down as low as they can get it to go, and they would also like to keep it down there for as long as they can, and they even have some financial tools to attempt their efforts at getting the bitcoin price down and keeping the bitcoin down - but even if they have a variety of tools and sometimes will be able to coordinate some of their downity efforts - they are not always going to be successful, and there are many examples already in bitcoin's history that they have not been successful - and furthermore, just because the players are getting BIGGER and able to throw more money at achieving their efforts, there still is no guarantee that they are going to be successful and some of them are likely to get reckt as fuck in the process of trying to keep bitcoin's price down.

So, yeah, in the short term, we cannot really know.. and in the long term, we are not guaranteed that BTC's price will recover - even though on an individual level it still seems like you better fucking be investing into bitcoin if you have any brains, even though it is not guaranteed to go up.

Quote from: Dunamisx on Today at 04:15:20 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 31, 2022, 08:58:10 PM

We do our best in terms of figuring out our strategy and our allocations into bitcoin based on the information that we have and as new information might come in, and so in that regard, we can attempt to be aggressive in our investment into bitcoin, but not necessarily be so aggressive that we end up getting stressed out if our investment into bitcoin might not be performing as well as we had anticipated it to perform.

Doing anything involves taking risk, no business one could venture into that is risk free, no risk no gain but the risk is worth taking since the confidence is high with investment on bitcoin to succeed than failing.

We are likely on the same page here, too. Merely because something is risky should not automatically disqualify it in terms of something to invest in; however, it may well affect how much anyone might be willing to invest, and each of us is going to likely come to differing conclusions regarding how much we factor our risk tolerance into our formula in terms of assessing all of our individual factors that we need to be considering when investing into bitcoin. Individual considerations include but are not limited to cashflow, other investments, view of bitcoin as compared with other investments, timeline, risk tolerance, time, skills and abilities to strategize, plan, research and learn along the way including tweaking strategies from time to time to consider trading, reallocating, use of leverage and/or financial instruments.