Reply to suchmoon

Freedom of speech in the US, Russia and Ukraine

Quote from: suchmoon on July 31, 2022, 02:42:40 PM

Quote from: Veleor on July 31, 2022, 01:51:38 PM

Tell me, in the United States and European countries, there are no such examples in relation to protesters? What is Julian Assange sitting for, can you answer?

Not for holding a blank sheet of paper, that's for sure. You remind of this old Soviet joke. A Russian and an American discuss freedom of speech in their countries. The American says "I can stand in front of the White House and yell 'Reagan is an idiot' and I won't get arrested". Russian: "Same thing here. I can stand in the Red Square and yell 'Reagan is an idiot' and I won't get arrested".

In fact, people in the US are only free to yell at the American leadership in Soviet jokes. A case in point was this June in Los Angeles, when a police officer knocked a protesting woman with a megaphone to the ground and then hit her.

Regarding the arrest for blank sheets in Russia, it really happened, but those people were not sent to prison, they received administrative fines. And I think it happened a few times. In my opinion, the Russian authorities deliberately applied such a ridiculous punishment in the early days of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, specifically to bring down any protest moods in society.
However, I will note that even this punishment cannot be compared with what is currently happening in Ukraine.
The other day, a Ukrainian blogger was sent to a filtration camp for being indignant at the attitude towards the Russian language in Lvov.

Start date of the proxy war

Quote from: suchmoon on July 31, 2022, 02:42:40 PM

When and how did the proxy war start? 2014 Euromaidan? 1991? 1945?

February 24, 2022, since before this date there was no official confirmation from the OSCE about the presence of Russian troops on the territory of Ukraine.

Who is the baddest guy

Quote from: suchmoon on July 31, 2022, 02:42:40 PM

Putin's army invaded Ukraine, it's very obvious who the bad guy is. When Ukrainian army surrounds Voronezh and bombs the shit out of it, I'll post the same thing about Russians not meeting Ukrainian liberators with flowers. Is that going to be sufficiently "objective" for you?

Do you not consider that since 2014 the Kiev government has been bombing Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine in the Donbas and as a result of these attacks 14,000 people have died? The Kiev government signed the Minsk agreements to accumulate military power against Russia. They never intended to fulfill them.

Code:

"The Minsk agreements bought Ukraine time, including to build its army, by freezing the conflict with Russia."

Desire of some countries to join NATO

Quote from: suchmoon on July 31, 2022, 02:42:40 PM

There's the fact that in 30 years most of "Warsaw pact" and some former USSR members have joined EU and/or NATO, or are fighting to do so.

When joining the EU or NATO, referendums are held in countries or everything is decided only by the leadership of these countries? Because Sweden, for example, refused to hold a referendum on NATO membership, although this directly affects the citizens of this country.

Reply to paxmao

About the dispute over whether Ukraine will be able to return the cities

Quote from: paxmao on July 31, 2022, 05:09:13 PM

Firstly, I am not fifteen.

Biological age doesn't matter, a person can be an immature person even at 30, for example, when he repeats the same nicknames through a post, such as "Adolf Putin", as in kindergarten. But it seems to you that this is a more "adult reaction" than to answer for your words and put your stay on the forum at stake. Or here's another example of infantilism from Spain, when the Prime Minister proposed not to wear neckties to save energy. With such brilliant politicians, Spain, and indeed the whole of Europe, has a "great future".

Quote from: paxmao on July 31, 2022, 05:09:13 PM

Second, I could not care less if you decide to leave the forum so your wage has zero value to me.

Personal attitude to me doesn't matter. If you were confident in the victory of Ukraine and in their successful counter-offensive, you would be able to at least somehow confirm this. And you can only carry nonsense here about the successes of the Ukrainian army. Even Zelensky has already been forced to admit that Russian troops have advantages in firepower and manpower.

Quote from: paxmao on July 31, 2022, 05:09:13 PM

Lastly, and in any case, I would rather not bet on people's deaths and countries destroyed.

No one is asking you to bet on people's lives. The only question was whether there would be a successful counter-offensive of the Ukrainian army or not.

Quote from: paxmao on July 31, 2022, 05:09:13 PM

However, if you are so sure of the qualities of the glorious RF and like high stakes, join the army, you can put your body were your words are. Send us a picture.

I do not support wars between fraternal peoples.

Quote from: paxmao on July 31, 2022, 05:09:13 PM

However if, as I suspect, you wish to keep "wallposting" and betting from the safety of your chair, you can see my sponsor below, great site, good prices and excellent reputation.

What are these dances on the bones? Don't you think that you have chosen not the best theme for advertising your site? Here in the topic they write about the "people's deaths and countries destroyed", and you decided to do advertising. This is not infantilism, but some kind of rabid cynicism on your part.

Quote from: paxmao on July 31, 2022, 05:09:13 PM

My objective is to let anyone in the RF that is considering joining the RF army to understand clearly what are they getting into and how stupid is to die for Putin. What I claim about the RF army is real. Undisciplined, unready, obsolete material... all claims but little result.

You either pretend or don’t really understand that you give unfounded hopes to people who, having read such opuses, may think (not only from you, but in general, I mean such thoughts) that it would be nice to go to war on the side of Ukraine, and then die ingloriously under Russian fire. You seem to have a lot of fun when the Slavic peoples destroy each other?

Quote from: paxmao on August 01, 2022, 11:02:35 PM

Oh... so the Ukrainians are right when they call the Orcs "tourists". Putin is still calling this a "special operation", yet he is at war. Nothing of what he says can be trusted (any enemy communication is by definition disinformation). However you can rely on facts [...]

What are the nicknames "orcs", are you a Nazi or what? And I read your last post here...

Quote from: paxmao on Today at 06:10:50 PM

I wonder how many people in the RF really believe the crap or they are just trying hard to believe it so that they do not feel part of the scum of the Earth.

Maybe your grandfather or great-grandfather fought on the side of the Nazi troops in World War II? That would explain a lot.

Reply to Waradlain

Explosion in Yelenovka

Quote from: Waradlain on July 31, 2022, 08:35:25 PM

The point is that russia killed 50+ people and is trying to shift the blame. Even tho the facts show that russia undoubtedly did it. That's all.

This is all empty talk until a decision is made by independent experts. The Russian military leadership recently invited UN and Red Cross experts to visit Yelenovka and check the versions of both sides (Ukraine and Russia) themselves. The UN leadership is ready to send a group of experts.

Reply to TwitchySeal

Language law in Ukraine

Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 01, 2022, 02:53:43 AM

Quote from: DaRude on July 31, 2022, 08:54:35 PM

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Quote from: DaRude on July 31, 2022, 08:36:20 PM

Ahh forbidding law abiding ethnic Russian UA citizens from teaching their children their native language under disguise of "decolonization" while claiming that it's not a "natural language to ukrainians" or they have to leave the country is not an indirect method aimed at forced migration at all. Roll Eyes

. True EU values. Tell us you support ethnic cleansing without saying you support ethnic cleansing

This law forbidding law abiding ethnic Russian UA citizens from teaching their children their native language does not exist.

I'm not saying that such laws exists, just replying to johhnyUA who seems to be truly bewildered why discrimination and racism go against EU values and are bad

You're saying it because it's something you've heard many times before from people that support Russia's invasion.

It's not true though. It's a lie that exists to justify Russias actions and thus increase Russia support.

How to call the event when schools in Russian cease to exist in accordance with the Ukrainian law?

Battle for Kyiv

Quote from: TwitchySeal on Today at 01:13:08 AM

If you really think it makes sense to ignore anything written by the west (free press) and only believe reports that are pro Russia or coming from Russian media (which is largely controlled by Putin), then obviously nothing will change your mind. But if not, and you've realized how ridiculous your points have been in the past like this one ... have a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022) and then let me know if you really think the first month of the war went mostly according to plan for Putin.

What you wrote about the capture of Kyiv is generally meaningless. Referring to the words of the Russian leadership, there must be a primary source in a Russian authoritative publication that these statements were made at all. If you quote the Russian side, then you will have to refer to Russian sources, no matter how disgusting they are to you.
Referring to articles on Wikipedia regarding the current military conflict is a not good manner, because Wikipedia on this issue does not quote Russian sources. But on Wikipedia, they happily quotes the lies of the Western media. A typical recent example, when Ukrainian troops threw anti-personnel mines all over Donetsk, and the deceitful Daily Online claimed that Russian troops did it and showed a video with a DPR fighter, saying that this is a "Ukrainian soldier" clearing a Russian mine with a tire.

Original taken from here and then a clear reaction of the author Marina Akhmedova.

Reply to johhnyUA

Quote from: johhnyUA on July 31, 2022, 08:04:10 PM

Russian is not the natural language to ukrainians, this is colonial language which was forced to learn by force. So it's normal that country want to leave colonial past behind. If someone want, he can learn russian by himself or in private schools.

The Constitution of Ukraine is no longer respected for you?
Although, what am I asking about, because in Ukraine they didn’t care about the Constitution, after the Maidan of 2014, this is an anti-constitutional coup, where the opinions of all the inhabitants of Ukraine were not taken into account, and the opponents of the Maidan were persecuted and dozens of people were burned in Odessa, and those who were lucky to survive were severely beaten.

Quote from: johhnyUA on August 01, 2022, 09:18:12 AM

Now i think that around 90 % of russian books and authors will be canceled by ukrainian audience. But this is fair I think

The question is who do you attribute to the Ukrainian public? Ukrainian propaganda wants to imagine that Ukraine has a monolithic society that hates Russia as one and all, with the exception of a small number of collaborators. However, the reality is different when it comes to eastern Ukraine.
Recently, a video was released on YouTube, in which two Ukrainian warriors talk about the attitude of local residents in Artemovsk (Bakhmut) to the Ukrainian channel "Телебачення Торонто" (685 thousand subscribers on YouTube).

Code:

1.
Reporter: The local population does not interfere with you here? Are you for them to leave or for them to be here?
Soldier: The local population is waiting for them to raise the tricolor.
Reporter: Seriously? That is, those who gave up, are they a bit pro-Russian?
Soldier: Look at the telegram channel "Artemovsk-Bakhmut", where they leak our location.
Reporter: Was there a lot of times when a specific area was pointed out?
Soldier: Yes.
2.
Soldier: Near Kyiv in the Chernihiv region, there real Ukrainians helped us, told us where Rusnya was. And here all these collaborators and non-humans, on the contrary, they give up all our positions.

Also revealing is an interview with the governor of Nikolaev, who suspects all residents.