Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 04:34:38 PM

Quote from: 1miau on Today at 03:31:48 PM

And that’s DerGigi's big problem. DerGigi's statements are done without any background knowledge of the actual issue, he’s commenting on.

I haven't seen any post he makes regarding vaccines, would you mind sharing a link? I don't say a word for vaccine's effectiveness, because I don't have any evidence to support my statement.

Yes, I haven't seen him making posts about vaccine's effectiveness as well but my point was since he's making accusations about restrictions being too much, the vaccine being pushed too much, he's commenting on the assumption, that Corona would be "just a flu" and that restrictions / vaccinations wouldn't be beneficial.
That's why I said:

Quote from: 1miau on Today at 03:31:48 PM

= He can’t judge the outcome properly (measures to prevent Corona / vaccinations), when his basic assumptions are wrong already because he’s not capable to do the appropriate research. And that’s why DerGigi's conclusion ("the whole systemic propaganda that was launched and that had a terrorist character" as you said) is completely wrong.

Of course, governments will launch a campaign to recommend vaccination because studies have shown it's beneficial.
Today, almost no restrictions are in place anymore in Germany, infections numbers are 20 times (!) higher than last summer and still only few restrictions like mask and test in hospitals to protect vulnerable groups, so I can't see "Agenda or tyranny".
There are misguided politicians yes, but as NotAThether said: politicians are very different on various issues. A society where you will agree to everything doesn't exist. And even when it's your neighbour doing bullshit and you don't agree with. Cheesy

If you are talking for China: yes, it's a different thing in China and we could describe it as "tyranny" indeed in China, when people's frontdoors are sealed by the CCP. And many more but things are very different between China and Japan, China and EU, China and US or China and (take whatever coutry you like (except North Korea)). Cheesy

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 04:34:38 PM

Quote from: 1miau on Today at 03:31:48 PM

But we have to admit that human made climate change is real and the consequences will hit everyone very hard.

I have never once supported it isn't real. What I'm saying is: The changes it'll bring are political, and that's why I don't bite most of the solutions they've proposed[2].

That's true, we should always discuss it what to do. Look, I'm a friend of a good steak and the greens / environmentalists want to reduce meat consumption to prevent climate change. Lips sealed

Of course I'm not amused but meat production is causing lots of emissions. Of course, reducing meat production isn't "tyranny", to.
There are always (dis) agreements and uncomfortable decisions to be made, always has been but that doesn't mean that there's some broad agenda to bring China-like communism everywhere.

Quote from: cryptosize on Today at 04:39:18 PM

Quote from: 1miau on Today at 03:31:48 PM

they are usually from a different profession

Just like Bill Gates, right? Roll Eyes

When did he get his medical degree?

Exactly, therefore people should look at peer reviewed studies, excess mortality from Corona and what's happening at hospitals, where Corona-infections are treated. Ask these with experience, not Bill Gates and not DerGigi. Wink