Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 09:37:26 AM

Quote from: n0nce on August 15, 2022, 11:17:18 PM

Except that there is no central list of 'what is tainted' and what's not, so even a 'clean' output by Wasabi's standards might be rejected from an exchange.

I did a small experiment in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395035.msg59905002#msg59905002
One particular blockchain analysis entity found that approximately 25% of coins in Binance's hot wallet were part of an OFAC blacklist. Bittrex's hot wallet contained coins from known scams and hacks. Why are these exchanges accepting these coins which are tainted? The only logical conclusion is that different entities have different definitions of taint, which goes to show how arbitrary the whole thing is, but also means that coins from one CEX could be refused by another CEX.

1. oeleo's decision to look into binance, is because he knows binance doesnt serve US citizens because its not licenced and thus not regulated by us regulations. so binance does not follow the US regulation policy..

so yea. when oeleo says and plays ignorant about:
"Why are these exchanges accepting these coins which are tainted? The only logical conclusion is that different entities have different definitions of taint, which goes to show how arbitrary the whole thing is, but also means that coins from one CEX could be refused by another CEX."

the answer which i think he does know, unless he really is dumb, instead of playing dumb.. is that yes exactly that different exchanges follow different regulatory policies.
so by learning what the policies are. you then learn which services to use and what ones to avoid.

.. its not that because different businesses have different policies due to different jurisdiction then it must ignorantly mean the rules are fake and dont apply. it means learn the rules for each one to know if you should use it or not.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 09:37:26 AM

Quote from: NotATether on Today at 07:35:41 AM

We're trying to fight back by abrogating the bold part. Because the use of a mixer in itself does not constitute a crime even in Federal law (and we have to make sure that crooks do not attempt to make it so).

I've put franky1 back on ignore, but it is hilarious that he is still just repeating the same trash after I definitively proved him wrong earlier I this thread. By the very document he is using to support his red flag nonsense, even so much as buying bitcoin with a credit card or withdrawing your bitcoin to your own wallet is enough to earn you the exact same red flag.

oh and as oeleo quoted earlier about the sending receiving coin that lack KYC.. that definitively was about CEX to CEX. not wallet to cex..(OELEO. try reading it again)
so yes one exchange might deem funds coming from binance as suspicious if binance does not show good KYC linkage. again he keeps mentioning the same "proof" to play games about user funds from private wallets even though the "proof" is about CEX to CEX.. wher one sex isnt doing good KYC

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 09:37:26 AM

It is clear that the problem here is not mixers, or coinjoins, or anonymous altcoins like Monero, or any other privacy tools such as Tor, or the users who are interested in maintaining a bit of privacy in the face of the ever increasing global surveillance we are all subjected to. The problem here is governments and centralized exchanges which want to turn bitcoin in to a surrogate CBDC, where you can only interact with bitcoin on approved, KYC enforced platforms, under the watchful eye of your overlords.

governments dont want to take over bitcoin. they love their fiat and they are making their own CBDC. what they dont want is people escaping their fiat to avoid paying taxes or buying stuff that can hurt their citizens. (logic/reality)

different jurisdictions have different rules. and yep those rules are real. so instead of playing ignorant to ignore the rules. you have to learn the rules and then decide on what services to ignore.(avoid using)

pretending you can pretend that for instance coinbase rules dont apply and then continue to use coinbase shouting 'its ok guys break the rules because they are fake and so they cant do anything'. is actually just going to get people into trouble.

the smart play is to learn the rules and then decide if you want to use or avoid coinbase

seems oeleo wants to play the fantasy role of a wild west outlaw cowboy.thinking he can just walk into a western saloon not introduce himself ask for a drink and a wench, walk out without paying.and for just fun sake shoot someone in the foot because he thinks he is untraceable.and then walk out thinking he had a fun day.. not realising the stuff he caused and the trouble that can follow him
and then pretend he is invincible so should recruit other cowboys to join him so he can shift the trouble onto them and use them as his shield/fall guy to defend him while he walks off with all their loot into the sunset..