Quote from: farnsworth7 on April 05, 2014, 03:35:05 AM

Quote from: thaaanos on April 05, 2014, 03:19:10 AM

I agree with mgburks77 here, the more individuals become cells in a larger system, whether hierarchical or networked it doesn't matter. They sacrifice degrees of freedom (free will) to the superstructure. I think only the top layer can enjoy free will or "liberty", it's inevitable, but not unacceptable.

A superstructure will always exist. Complete freedom is an illusion. We can not break free from the laws of physics, from our emotions, or from the need for a coherent human society (we are social animals). The best thing we can do is make our "prison" more enjoyable, ie make a society that is fairer for everyone. But we will always be individual cells in a body called mankind. I think we need to accept that, and stop believing freedom is the holy grail, because 1. it doesn't exist 2. it would not even solve anything.

I agree. I think its all about the rules. In a game like Monopoly eventually there will one winner and everyone loses. In a game like Rock-Paper-Scissors each player takes turn winning (not good example but I can't think of another game that doesn't allow concentration of power)

The inevitable end of free market Capitalism is monopoly & the opposite Communism/ Socialism doesn't work either. What is the optimum system? Nobody knows yet. But we all know what we have doesn't work.