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Re: Mixers that mix bitcoin without letting it be obvious that it came from a mixer?
by
franky1
on 22/08/2022, 09:21:53 UTC
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Mixers that mix bitcoin without letting it be obvious that it came from a mixer?


Shower thought. What if a mixer only accepted transactions sent to it through the Lightning Network? In theory, it could help with OP's question on how to "hide" the fact that someone used a mixer, because a transaction in the Lightning Network takes multiple hops before making it to the destination. It won't be your actual UTXOs that reaches the mixer. How will outside-observers know that you're actually using a mixer?

shower with some soap thought

locking funds up. and then using said references to then do some offchain swaps where the utxo to unlock of someone elses (random person) then goes to you. is better than spamming the network with traditional mixer span..
.. but if you then advertise that other network(LN) as a privacy enhancing tool (like regulators already recognise LN as a privacy enhancing tool) still gets all the locks to LN  red flagged
yep all them locks listed on 1ml are red flagged as suspicious.


You started the post reasonably, but there you are again, franky1. Starting to include subtle disinformation, and gaslighting techniques.

you love the word gaslighting. but you have no clue.
try to do your own research and stop relying on buddies/peoples teachings..
funny part is i am the one that provides actual data from actual sources of actual things that are actually related.
its your buddies that just quote another buddy who quotes another buddy all with similar mindsets as their "sources". which makes them the gaslighters

go check the FATF policies
https://www.fatf-gafi.org/media/fatf/documents/recommendations/Updated-Guidance-VA-VASP.pdf
heck i even linked them to your lil buddy group. sumarising a few paragraphs of importance to them.. i even made them colourful to really show the things in a way that might tempt them to read.. and guess what..
the FATF do mention about layered networks promoted as scaling solutions but used as privacy enhancing tools.. so yep FATF are well aware of LN
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409206.msg60729993#msg60729993
(its in blue)

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i know your buddies are whispering to you to ignore regulations. dont do research and try to stroke your head back to sleepy land of utopian dreams that LN is the best thing ever and regulators dont know about LN.. all becasue one of their buddies told them so they should tell you that your in a good place with them

but your wrong
here i picked out just some of the hundreds of things in the wall of text policy(your buddies never read walls of text so i know they did not read the FATF regulations
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409206.msg60729993#msg60729993
the blue writing will show you that they know of LN and they consider these 'layering systems' and 'scaling solutions' that are promoted as privacy tools as suspect and red flag triggers

HENSE why i said stop advertising things as "privacy enhancing" and instead call a new smart contract network (with less flaws as LN has) a "property rights" network
then you will have more legal bases to defend against certain things. while then offering a feature that still (without mentioning it) does the functions you need

its called being smart. to find the loop holes of regulations. like how uber disrupted the taxicab industry without calling themselves a taxi service

rather then pretending regulations are not real and then advertising things as the very thing regulators are watching out for/actioning against