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I find it interesting that you think is better to have a promise of getting gas (like a Celsius agreement that we will give your money back) rather than having your own gas (your deposits, your gas), which is a bit, interesting I would say.

Not using our own gas in a crisis is one of the many weird things going on at the moment. We also have half a billion tonnes of coal, and we're mining none of it.

There is no easy long-term solution, unfortunately. I doubt we'll ever be able to be self-sufficient on renewables, given how crowded, small and flat the country is.

Nu.nl summed up some of the measures in Germany: starting next month, public buildings can't be heated above 19 ^oC, and no heating in hallways. No more lamps on monuments, lights off in shops when they're closed, and possibly a ban on heating private swimming pool. The goal: reduce gas consumption by 2%. My gut feeling tells me it's a drop in a bucket.

It is from these "drops" that the exit path is built. See what the EU is doing now
1. Reducing gas consumption by 15% by the end of the year.
2. This applies to all countries. Do you know what's important here? The fact that only some countries, or rather their industry, is highly dependent (more than 30%) on gas from Russia. It also means that countries that consume 15% or less of Russian gas will also reduce gas consumption.
And that means what? That's right - there will be a surplus of gas of non-Russian origin.
3. Real dependence, or rather a noticeably negative situation in only a few countries. These are countries such as Germany, France, Italy, Hungary. Are you familiar with this list?

The rest of the countries, or rather their rulers, did not sell themselves to the Kremlin ghouls, and did not make their country dependent on the idiotic tricks of the petty under-Fuhrer from the Kremlin. With other countries, in this vile type, the gas terror did not pass, they easily abandoned the "blood gas" and sent terrorist suppliers to hell.

As a result: Therefore, a step-by-step, by 2-3-5% reduction, over time, will allow us to completely abandon supplies from Russia. Unfortunately, to the same Germany it is extremely difficult to immediately refuse gas supplies from Russia - most of their industry is tied precisely to the supply of Russian gas. This is about 40% of all purchased gas. Germany buys 60% from other suppliers.

Europe is Germany and France. Italy is the number 2 debtor after Greece.
Why are the USA and Russia great countries? Because they are not dependent on other countries in all major respects.

If Germany and France want to be large industrial countries in Europe, then they have 2 options: to take cheap raw materials and electricity in Russia or try to become energy independent, and build nuclear power plants, develop the coal industry and other non-environmentally friendly industries.

But in Europe it's not fashionable, they don't want to get dirty and be safe. Therefore, green energy is in fashion there.
And this energy is not enough for production.

A politician should do what the voters want, not what is important for the country. No need to blame the Kremlin for the troubles of Europe.
Europeans are to blame for this themselves.
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In Russia, a massive program of gasification of the entire country is now underway in order to increase gas consumption. There are a lot of gas filling stations and there are funding programs for filling gasoline cars with gas.
Prices for gas, petrol and electricity have fallen in Russia.
Thanks for the sanctions.

I'll tell you a secret - in fact, the whole world is indebted to each other, and "to that uncle"

The level of debt is not a one-size-fits-all indicator. For example, we take the United States - domestic debt - more expensive than half of the world! And the external one - with the cost as the second half of the world!
And nothing - the leading economy, politics, the army and much more.
Saudi Arabia - 150,000 million in external debt, and feel great with the highest standard of living!
Now about greatness - well, there are no questions with the greatness of the United States. But why did you decide that Russia is a great country - this is the question, most likely without a logical answer, no offense! A terrorist country, a loser country, a pathetic likeness of North Korea, but what is great here!?

Well, in essence the topic: "If Germany and France want to be large industrial countries in Europe, then they have 2 options: to take cheap raw materials and electricity in Russia or try to become energy independent, and build nuclear power plants, develop the coal industry and other non-environmentally friendly industries. "
And tell me, why did you get the idea that raw materials are only in Russia, and that in Russia it is cheap? The fits of hysteria of the Kremlin dwarf showed that economic terrorism is a common thing for Russia, and it will set prices as it wants. And if Britain, the USA and part of Europe had not taken up the matter now, the Kremlin ghouls would have already poisoned everyone in the EU against Russian gas with a "newcomer"!
The problem is that "raw materials are available only in Russia, and only in Russia they are cheap! If you study the history of the formation of the oil and gas market in Europe, you will be surprised how, since the 50-60s of the last century, the USSR "invested" in bribing state officials and "West Berlin", and France and Italy and many others. It is the corrupt monopolization of the industry of some countries that has led to the current situation! There are no cheap resources from Russia - there are corrupt politicians, corruption, and a lot of interesting but not yet published facts for the public , about some personalities from the very top of the political Olympus of Europe in the second half of the 20th century.

Russia is a great country - let me rephrase this expression so that some users do not feel offended. Russia is a country with an enormous area and large deposits of minerals. This country cannot be blocked by sanctions.
You say that in corrupt European politicians Russia is to blame.
Is it fair to blame Europe and the US for the collapse of Russia's industry and corrupt politicians?