Quote from: billyjoeallen on April 05, 2014, 06:02:26 PM

Certain groups in the West (neocons) played a a part no doubt, but that doesn't mean that Western powers as a whole were behind it. There was and is a real desire for freedom and less corruption by many Ukranian People. I think they are being naive. If I was Ukranian, I'd GTFO of that shithole, even if it was my home. I'd take as many of my family members as I could with me. Whoever ends up in charge there isn't likely to be much better than the guy they threw out.

McCain is doing his best to retroactively deserve the torture he received in Viet Nam. Neocons think that they can fix stuff when all they do is get people killed and waste money.

Obama isn't competent enough to engineer a revolution. That's his best virtue. The west has a foreign policy establishment that's just smart enough to be dangerous. They rid the world of Saddam Hussein and left the Ayatollah as the regional power in the Middle East.

The west have been in Ukraine for years and thrown 5 billion dollars at this regime change as mentioned by Nuland, sure some might not have been happy with the government but no more so than for example us in Australia with our government, the revolution in Ukraine certainly wasn't organic as we're led to believe.

I edited my earlier reply to say you should have a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw but you prob missed it.. Paul Craig Roberts go into detail of the strategic motives etc too in one of his interviews, not sure if it was with James Corbett or Stefan Molyneux.

You've also tempted me to talk about Saddam, Gaddafi etc but I won't - people like to discuss bitcoins price around here for some strange reason. Huh