Quote from: LegendaryK on August 31, 2022, 09:31:15 AM

Pay attention:
The time of abundance is over, this means less energy , less finance, less food, and a lot less people.
Proof of Waste can't survive except in a time of abundance.

oh.. i see your one of them conspiracy guys that have watched 20 "eugenics" "new world order" videos.. which have spread virally through media..

i actually am a realist. i knew as far back as the 1980's that oil/coal was running out.

but lets point you in the right direction of history and future that may actually tickle your anti-gov anti corp feelings. but using actual common sense, logic, physics, economics and math

the gulf wars and such were not due to humanitarian efforts, they were due to trying to steal oil/gas because america/europe was running out domestically in the 80's so needed to grab some from elsewhere

the whole "carbon crisis" is more of a business deal to get public funding to pay for private business to transition over to renewables because.. no surprise coal/oil/gas reserves would run out by 2030-2050 the same guestimate date era that is called out as the carbon(climate crisis) point of no return

yes carbon is a lung health risk. but a 0.x% to 0.xy% is not a big enough change to 'kill everyone' (like you think)
the atmosphere alarm about warming/cooling. is more about water. not carbon
yep less water in the air means less rain = less cooling.
all them dams and reservoirs over the last century have caused more impact on temperature.. the dams prevent free water flow to wet the land, as do water pipes, sewers which means less water to evaporate to then cause more rain.
messing with the water cycle(yes its human caused climate crises, but its water not coal thats to blame most)

try it.. get 2 glasses of water. walk into your yard where the sun beams down onto your pavement/drive/patio.. put 1 glass as-is on the ground. and pour the other across the ground as a puddle.. you will see that the free flowing water across land evaporates. where as the one in the dammed reservoir does not evaporate as much)
(yes thats the downside of hydro power plants. the need of dams have dried the land and messed with the water cycle)

next get 2 glasses with lids. half fill both glasses. put the lids on but in one glass blow just 0.x% of smoke vs the air % of the half glass of air

wait and then check the temperature difference later on.. the change is not noticable.

you then learn when the day rains.. the temperature drops more then the carbon(smoke) difference.

yep all these "try its" are things you can do, easily by yourself
(also look at the cries about the brazilian "RAIN"forest. and not a mention of a "carbon"forest. and realise what is being impacted by deforestation
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anyways back to the power consumption and utility which you think will ban things..

power companies dont have or dont want to pay out of their own pocket to transition to renewables, as its not cheap. they know they have to do it by 2030-2050 as they will have no resource to produce energy via fossil fuel by then.
yep all oil and coal would run out, so the climate crises message fossil fuel would self fulfil/solve itself by being 0% fossil by then anyway
yep with fossil fuel running out by 2050. there would be 0% fossil fuel production by 2050 by doing absolutely nothing different.

. so they are trying to get the public to fund their evolution by finding some humanitarian reason to get the public to fund their activities
again like getting the public to fund the gulf wars to grab oil from other countries by calling it a humanitarian crises.
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so if you want to follow some agenda capitalism has against individuals. atleast do some research and not quote the stories of media.

here is the thing. when they make new power plants based on renewable.. the build costs are not based on supplying current demands. the cost is based on demands of 20-50 years.. meaning the cost is 3-5x higher than current demand, because the demand now is not sufficient to pay the cost over all. which delays making such power plants now

think about it if they have a region of 1m houses, but build a power plant to support the future 3mill houses. they are only now going to get 33% potential income because there is only 1m houses paying bills, not 3m

so they want business. they want users of electric to consume that 2m houses excess NOW. so they can cover their costs now and expand sooner

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this is why energy prices are higher. because instead of using old cheap energy production, regions are having to use higher rate renewable energy that costs more.

those with the less accessible old energy production get to raise their prises because of competition. allowing them to raise their prices. where they profit and the hope was that profit would be used to transition to renewable
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summary
power plants transitioning to renewables want new business of high electric demand to move into their region so they can get 100% potential income instead of the slow 30% income in first few years of demand.

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the banning of mining. is not about not wanting it..
its about banning it so that they can then control the licence/permits of where they will then allow it.
yep they want to be able to make licences/permits that allow asic farms to set up. but they first need to be able to control it. which first requires banning it.