Quote from: dkbit98 on Today at 06:04:21 PM

Quote from: n0nce on September 13, 2022, 09:29:15 PM

I don't use other servers with my Bitcoin wallets and services.

Sure this is true if you run your own node, but ff you are using Bisq and lightning network based exchanges, you need to have some level of trust in their nodes.

Bisq has no servers; my client connects to other clients directly through Tor. I can also connect it to my own personal node and do trades without depositing funds to my Bisq wallet (even if that's a hot, local wallet on my own machine).
Using Robosats (centralized LN exchange) is not comparable to using Wasabi (centralized on-chain mixer / CJ coordinator).

Robosats:
Expectation: I can trade LN sats for something else
Reality: I trade LN sats for something else

Wasabi:
Expectation: I can exchange my on-chain funds for other on-chain funds without a link
Reality: I hope that the code they run is actually the code they claim to be running and that they don't do bad stuff with the information they need to get from me (even if they have no malicious intent). If these assumptions don't hold, the whole purpose of the service falls flat.

Therefore, I basically cannot know whether using Wasabi is actually working (by not invading my privacy, but instead giving me more privacy).
In comparison, on Robosats, I do know that it is actually working, because I see the sats as fiat in my bank account.

Quote from: dkbit98 on Today at 06:04:21 PM

Quote from: n0nce on September 13, 2022, 09:29:15 PM

Why are we talking about closed source wallets? The Trezor is open source - hardware and software.

Because some people here are using closed source stuff and in same time they preach other about openess... I didn't say it was you Wink

The problem with your argument ('I am not defending wasabi or anything else, but someone running closed source wallet knows even less.') is that it's whataboutism. Someone can complain about Wasabi's services regarding openness, yet still use something closed.
The argument would only have made sense if Trezor was already a closed-source wallet and already talking to closed servers all the time.

Quote from: dkbit98 on Today at 06:04:21 PM

Quote from: n0nce on September 13, 2022, 09:29:15 PM

What do you consider as proof?

I consider proof when someone publicly reports that his transaction was blacklisted.
Announcing a plan to do something in future is not the same thing as doing it right now.
Announcing a plan for trezor and wasabi to work together in future, doesn't even mean it will happen the way someone imagines.

And how do you verify this information? I could just pop in and state this, even if it didn't happen.
I think their own word weighs much more than someone online claiming they got blacklisted.

Quote from: dkbit98 on Today at 06:04:21 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on Today at 08:57:02 AM

If you don't consider that to be proof, OK, that's your opinion.

I can announce anything right now and say it will happen in future, like me start growing horns, etc.
If you think that is automatically a proof this thing actually happened, then I have nothing else to add.
I personally prefer patience.

It's not proof that it's already happened, but it's just quite hard to prove someone did get blacklisted, and impossible to prove that nobody got blacklisted.
The point isn't this, though. The point is that if someone threatens to do something, it's indeed as if they did it, in legal terms.
So morally, if someone publicly announces they are ready to do X, for most rational people it's as if they did X.