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Quote from: DaRude on October 07, 2022, 09:46:26 PM

Best argument i can see here is perhaps google translate got it wrong too?

We're pretending now that you can't read Russian? Grin

What he seems to be saying is that (unlike sanctions after invasion) pressure needs to be applied to Russia to discourage it from using nuclear weapons, and not wait until it uses them (like sanctions after invasion). FWIW I don't think that makes much sense because Putin is about as irrational as it gets and doesn't need a reason or discouragement to use or not to use nukes, but nowhere in that sentence does Zelensky call for a preemptive nuclear strike. He's talking about preventing a nuclear strike.

Quote from: DaRude on October 07, 2022, 09:46:26 PM

You realize that you don't have to keep Z a saint and agree with every thing that he says, you can hold on to any remaining credibility you have left and just not comment, or argue that he made a mistake being under all that pressure etc... there are options besides everything Z says is holier than thou

I've never said or implied any of that, so it seems that you've ran out of arguments on the subject if you need to resort to making more shit up. I've pointed out that his office explained his position... whether he misspoke or was misunderstood or mistranslated or was just plain wrong - is irrelevant, and continuing to push the idea that he wants to start a nuclear war is absurd. And FFS make up your mind - is Zelia NATO/EU puppet, or is he puppeting NATO?

As for his holiness: I've pointed out many times that Kremlin's obsession with Zelensky's persona and every word he says (or Kremlin makes up about him) doesn't make sense and seems to be based on Putin's "tsar" image. That's not how a real president's office - with term limits and whatnot - works. Zelensky will be gone and Ukraine will still not love Russia. Go figure.

Things Putin fan boys freak out about:

Zelensky has money in other countries.
Zelensky has big house.
Zelensky made a statement that can be twisted into Nuclear threat.
Azov battalion has ties to neo nazis.

Meanwhile, Wagner group has ties to neo nazi, and they are many times bigger than Azov.
Putin has many times more money than Z.
Putin has many houses many times bigger than Z.
Putin has been making nuclear threats for 10+ years.

What they should be concerned about is who is better looking and who has more global approval.

Quote from: af_newbie on Today at 06:10:02 AM

The Crimean bridge is 'out of service'.

Sorry for the inconvenience. ROFL.

Looks like Ukraine sent fireworks for Putins 70th birthday.

It's like a mad children argument on who's got the more houses loses. A social justice warrior badge should be given here