Quote from: Sithara007 on Today at 03:30:29 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on October 16, 2022, 08:40:51 PM

And besides exclusively your fantasies, do you have any arguments in favor of yours, well, let it be "theories"? Well, for example - the United States forces you to buy only their weapons and prohibits the production of your own. Or does it not help other NATO members? Or does it not provide technological, financial, consulting support? Or takes away from NATO members their money, factories, land?
Or something else that can be equated with the relationship between "master and slave"?

Why I ask a question - I often hear the sound of words from you, but they are almost never followed by any real arguments, facts. Those. it's just a sound, because you want to count so much

There was a lot of controversy when Turkey decided to purchase the S-400 air-defense system from Russia. The Americans actually threatened to push Turkey out of the F-35 program in retaliation. If you believe that all this is propaganda, then you can go through the information that is available in the public domain. Even Saudi Arabia was initially interested in the S-400 systems, but then the Syria war started and the deal failed as Russia and Saudi Arabia were on the opposing sides in the conflict.

I know this story

Only you didn't tell it all and not completely. Again, for some reason, without saying some nuances ... I do not exclude that out of habit

If you read purely Russian news (read - state propaganda, mostly false, as everyone has already seen), then the situation is as follows: Turkey announced that it had acquired S-400s from Russia. was forced, because Allegedly, this is all a consequence of the US refusal to supply it with Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM). Sounds nice right? Too bad it's not true

Officially, and it's easy enough to check the reasons were different, and some of them are probably intentional.
I'll start a little further. Russia has positioned since the 80s that it is the "best manufacturer" of many military systems. Tanks, air defense, and much more were exclusively "unparalleled" and "the closest competitors still have to catch up with Russia in 20-30-40 years." But we already know that this is a fake

But back to Turkey. What do they have in service, in air defense?
- М41А1 Duster, yes yes, these old men, coaxial 40 mm machine guns

- ZSU Korkut from the Turkish company ASELSAN
- ZSU SSA, with two automatic guns Oerlikon KDC-02 caliber 35 mm, which are produced in Turkey (under a Swiss license). I will not list other systems, it is not interesting. Stepping up a step:
- mobile command posts on the M113 armored personnel carrier chassis (US license), with AN / MPQ-64 Sentinel radar (Hughes Aircraft Co. USA)
- "Light" MANPADS - Stingers and a large number of missiles for them, including licensed ones produced in Turkey (under US license). And let's move on to global, medium-long-range combat air defense.

The basis of Turkish air defense is long-range anti-aircraft missile systems that provide cover for strategically important objects of the armed forces, government and industry. And let's guess what these systems are??

Exactly! The Turkish army is armed with 3PK MIM-14 Nike-Hercules, Hok air defense systems. From the 80s to today, the global air defense system continues to be built on these systems!
Yes, and of course we will remember the S-400! I'm not the Russian media to lie and hide the truth

...and in 2017-2019 Turkey bought 4 S-400 divisions

The Kremlin's screeching about the "big contract" turned out to be the expected fake.
BUT ! at least 1 division, in a FULL set (and there is an assumption that 2) left ... to the "fierce enemy of Turkey" - to .. USA!

In order to calmly disassemble, try to find something "unparalleled" and adapt your systems to deal with the C400. And as you know, but you will probably say “no no no, it didn’t happen”, these “unparalleled” complexes “protected” the temporarily occupied Ukrainian Crimea, and shamefully missed Turkish Bayraktars, Ukrainian missiles, and American ones

The world saw that the Russian army and the defense industry are fake, useless backward technology and stupid advertising, behind which there is nothing!

And today, for very understandable reasons, Turkey no longer purchases the Russian "iron misunderstanding", not only uses advanced Western systems, but also developed its own systems, for example, HISAR-U Siper