Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 29, 2022, 11:40:28 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 28, 2022, 04:03:52 PM

Quote from: paxmao on October 28, 2022, 08:29:15 AM

RE ghost of Kiev, the first time I hear about it was from an Ukrainian living elsewhere. My answer was "every nation needs their hope".
True or not matters nothing, RF warplanes are a rarity in Ukraine as of now.
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Lol! You really don't see anything wrong with that, do you? The little wrinkle in your (seemingly almost universal to Ukrainian) strategy is that once you are an admitted (and proud of it!) liar, nobody believes anything you say. Even when it happens to be factual.

On top of that, the people of Ukraine need your kind of 'hope' like they need a hole in the head. This false hope has resulted in the death and displacement of probably millions by now and a significantly shrunken area called 'Ukraine', and things promise to get worse from here. I get the strong sense that that is exactly the goal of a lot of you pricks and your inane bullshit. Possibly every one of you. It's interesting that 'your type' seem to have such a strong correlation with the 'merit point cycling club' merry band of influencer retards.

Yeah I'm sure if Russia were to ever use propaganda to build National pride you'd be the first to criticize them.

Count on it. I've no doubt that as a national strategy the Russians do exactly this, targeting their own domestic populations, but I simply don't have much visibility into that dark corner. I doubt that it is currently as pervasive now in Russia as it was under the Soviet Union or current day West (albeit often in reverse to facilitate 'demoralization' among the citizenry.) Seems like the Russian people are maintaining a degree of intellect (and decency) while somehow it seems to be falling off the cliff in other formerly progressive areas like the 'collective West'. Maybe the massive number of childhood injections are having something to do with that. Who knows. In any event, different methods of propaganda work better among different types of people.

What the Russians seem to be doing internationally is to be pretty careful to be factual without a lot opportunity for casual researchers to disprove their statements as flat out lies or ridiculous weasel words. They seem to be smart enough to understand that the fallout from a bullshit lie is orders of magnitude more damaging than the benefit of some 'Ghost-of-Kiev' story which is believed by 50% of domestic mouth-breathers and assorted global redditards for a few days. They can say something and it is more safe for an observer like me to take it as likely factual simply because of their recent history.

Ukraine, on the other hand, seems to be a nation of Baghdad Bobs. And oddly proud of it! I suspect that it is a result of being under operational control of those who are philosophically more influenced by Kabbalah. Namely the Ziocons from the U.S. State Department which really took control after the coup of 2014. Kabbalah teaches a concept of 'truth' which is 180 degrees different than most Christian and/or post-enlightenment interpretations. Even Atheists like me who grew up in 'Christian nations' tend to have adopted the definition of 'truth' as being synonymous with 'factually accurate' and it takes a lot of time and study to realize that not everyone defines 'truth' in the same way.