Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 30, 2022, 06:07:44 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 30, 2022, 11:52:44 AM

You argued there was no war, just like Putin. "It's all just fear mongering by the West."

This is a valid observation and did happen in the first few days or weeks of the 'special military operation' as well as long before. For many years we've been inundated with fake stories that the Russians have crossed into Ukraine, or are amassing and are going to do so in a few minutes. [Not unlike the decades of stories about how Iran will have nukes in a few months if we don't bomb them now.] Then when the operation started there were tons of obviously fake and some pre-arranged/staged stories about the devastation and 'Russian tanks in Kiev' and what-not. Within a few weeks credible info that yes, the Russians actually are doing something started to emerge. At that point I shifted my hypotheses about what might be going on.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 30, 2022, 06:07:44 PM

You argued that Russia didn't fail in the spring when they went for Kiev and ended up retreating even after the pro war Russians were openly calling out Putin's failures.

My car was missing a lot. I estimated that the chances of defective plugs was 30% and the control computer 60%. Roughly. I still changed the plugs first. Cost a few bucks and took a few minutes. After observing the changes, I went ahead and obtained the $4000 control computer and put it in. Did I 'fail' by putting in the plugs even if it didn't pay off?

The Russians obviously had no expectation of defeating Kiev (City) militarily with their initial actions. Seems like they figured that there was some chance of collapsing the NaZiocon regime politically, and even if not, it 'pinned' some forces up North while they got what they really wanted down South. They always knew that the cost would be minimal (and the pay-off high) if they just retreated at the right time. And they did exactly that. Kharkiv seems to be a similar situation. A twist is that they retreat 'to far' and form a hell of a nice killing field which pays huge dividends, but much thanks for that must go to the Ukriod 'leadership' who seem to want dead Ukrainians more than they want dead Russians. Northern Kherson is a textbook example of this phenomenon.

Most people these days are utterly incapable or making or even understanding what in times past would have been fairly simple plans/strategies such as the above. It is what it is.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 30, 2022, 06:07:44 PM

You repeat the same they're all Nazis" lines as Putin (although you add your own unironic antisemitic flare, to be fair)

I've said that people who learned and adopted significant elements of Nazi ideology in schools and youth camps, lionize historical figures who significantly expressed such an ideology (e.g., Bandara), tattoo themselves with iconography associated with the ideology (e.g., swastikas), etc, are classifiable of Nazis, and the post 2014 coup government integrated persons who exhibit these characteristics.

I've said from day one that I believe that a majority of Ukrainians, including those conscripts who are currently been decimated as they are forced into suicidal attacks, and probably for the most part normal and decent people.

Nazi ideology as I define it is characterized by an embrace of political violence. That would include such things as placing 'enemies' (e.g., real journalists, foreign politicians who don't support them, etc) on hit-lists for execution though to be fair, almost all totalitarian political entities share this characteristic and that certainly includes the Trotskyites who evolved into the modern day NaZiocons. In many ways there is not much light between the two.

An interesting presentation I saw was that the OSS/CIA recognized the potential of the Ukriod Nazi elements of the Ukroid population as a thorn in the side to the Soviet Union fairly early and made them a deal: We'll fund and support you but you have to do one thing: Drop the Jew stuff. Observations which lend credence to the suggestion include that the Ukroid Nazi's of today own their livelihood to Jewish oligarchs and the U.S. State Department, and display a fair bit of philosemitism. And that they get the good-houskeeping seal of approval from likes of the ADL.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 30, 2022, 06:07:44 PM

Let me know if I should keep going.

Have at it, Hos.