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Quote from: Arriemoller on November 22, 2022, 11:29:56 PM

yeah me too, and I predict that it is gpoing to get harder and harder to convert your bitcoins to fiat, especially the early ones, that's why I have been selling all year and buying bitcoin cetificates instead. That way I get the money in to the system, and then I can use these "clean" money to buy "clean" bitcoin in the future. I am however saving 10% of my old stash just in case I need some old anonymous coins in the future.

Are you talking about swedish bitcoin ETN (Bitcoin tracker one)?
I bought some in Fidelity, not much, though.
I don't know about Sweden, but in Germany it could be done painlessly since btc cap gains over a year are not taxable.
In US, you would get hit with some tax (depending on exchanged value, could be as high as 23.4% of profits).

No, I'm talking about these four.

https://www.avanza.se/borshandlade-produkter/certifikat-torg/om-certifikatet.html/563966/bitcoin-xbt

https://www.avanza.se/borshandlade-produkter/certifikat-torg/om-certifikatet.html/599180/bitcoin-xbte

https://www.avanza.se/borshandlade-produkter/certifikat-torg/om-certifikatet.html/1164452/valour-bitcoin-btc-zero-sek

https://www.avanza.se/borshandlade-produkter/certifikat-torg/om-certifikatet.html/1264363/track-bitcoin-ii-von

I have my money divided almost equal between the four, and I have them in a ISK, that's an account with very little tax.

https://thewahman.com/swedish-isk/#who-can-open-an-isk-investment-savings-account

In Sweden you pay 30% tax on the gain with a free sum of about 35000 SEK or thereabout if I remember correctly, regardless of how long you have had your coins.

since bitcoin tracker one has an exact same price as the first of "certificates" you are talking about (SEK 739.00), it probably means that it is the same thing, just called differently on US and swedish websites.
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COINXBT:SS

Could be, or just a freak coincidence.