Quote from: franky1 on November 30, 2022, 10:47:44 PM

one more time

at the point of someone receiving msats and see it on their GUI.
they are not looking at any state/commitment.
and trying to find a state/commitment is hard to do on a phone app

(main utility wallet for people buying small price items like coffee/beer/sandwich(because no one takes a laptop with them into town))

upon someone seeing they received msat,
they if they were a business( cafe or a store) would hand over the goods. and "believe" they received the correct denomination that represents the amount of sats they think they are promised..

or if just a user like a street busker or someone getting paid to do landscaping on soneones yard. would think they got paid. and leave..

but wont find out if they have been paid in full. of actual real sats.. until the end of the month when they finally settle up. (as settling hourly/daily is not the premiss LN nerds are pushing)
oh and you cant find out by running some LN explorer or bitcoin explorer to check your LN channel msat balance is backed by sats. because its all loaded into a phone app which your channel service provider gave you
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however in bitcoin receiving a real bitcoin transaction. is settled, confirmed and you can check it anywhere .. and then hand the goods over. meaning no worry, trust, faith..
also with bitcoin after getting payment, you dont have to stay online 24/7 wondering if some middle man will steal your funds
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bitcoin does not need watch towers, doesnt need someone else to be online just to accept a relayed payment. (doesnt need a hop agreement stage of multiple participants pressing accept or needing to share/borrow someone elses balance just to push a payment around a network)
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bitcoin has many security protections to not even relay transactions that dont have a confirmed utxo previous to it to back the current tx spend

plus a multitude of other security checks.. which is why in 2009 alot of cypherpunks that were playing with smart contracts before blockchains had issues. and then when bitcoin was announced they seen the wisdom of blockchains solved a smart contract problem

smart contracts dont solve a bitcoin problem. its the other way round

Damnit. Stop your silly going on about this.

It is a LONG time before anyone gives a damn about a millisat! A long time as in perhaps FOREVER.

SIXTY THOUSAND millisats is still only a PENNY in USD value.

You are barking on about people giving up FAR less than a penny when rounding down on a channel close.

Every time that channel goes over another 1000 millisats, the receiving side has earned another 1 SAT. Locked in. Will settle.

Would anyone be concerned that a channel that has been active form weeks, months or years has to give up less than 1/500th of a penny in value when it closes?

No. The answer is no. And it will always be no. And you are so wrong it hurts. Or maybe just a good troll. OK, I mean it this time. Ignored.