Quote from: n0nce on Today at 09:03:46 PM

Quote from: FatManTerra on December 06, 2022, 01:35:45 AM

Quote from: n0nce on December 05, 2022, 09:03:08 PM

What could they say to make you think otherwise, though? It's neither possible to prove for anyone here that you or I are or are not state actors, either, right?

Fair question. I'm not entirely sure. Maybe something like "we are not related to or employed by any world government, our extremely high start-up capital came from XYZ source, we made X in donations this year, we think we have never been investigated or indicted or admonished by LE because of XYZ..." Doesn't really matter, it's just a theory anyway.

That's exactly what an undercover state actor would say, though, right? Wink

One would think, but in some countries (the USA for sure) that would render any evidence collected by an undercover agent inadmissible in a court of law. If the undercover agent had no intention of using evidence he collects for prosecution, then they can lie through their teeth about LE affiliation and use the evidence to justify further investigations that collect evidence in an admissible manner. I'm not so naive as to think that hasn't happened.

Regardless, your point is clear. Any denial by ChipMixer wouldn't change the minds of those who are convinced.

Quote from: n0nce on Today at 09:03:46 PM

Besides; providing more info about themselves, how they are funded and whatnot, could dramatically increase their chance of getting busted like Tornado.

That was the point I tried to make in a previous post; even disclosing the amount of their startup budget could narrow the pool suspected affiliates. Disclosing the source of the funds would narrow the pool even more. The best advice to give to folks who run a mixer is to disclose as little as possible about themselves, or their funding.

Quote from: n0nce on Today at 09:03:46 PM

What I'm trying to say is: the whole argument / discussion is pointless. Waste of everyone's time, really. You can't prove or disprove any of this.

And that's the best way to sum it up. If ChipMixer wants to stay in business they're best course of action is not to try to disprove FatMan's allegations. Any attempt is likely to disclose sensitive information that will eventually cause the demise of the service.

Quote from: n0nce on Today at 09:03:46 PM

No; this is just a combination of the 'harsh tone' I mentioned earlier and dkbit98's unique character. Cheesy

We love him just the way he is, though!

Lol, we do love dkbit98 just as he is, harsh tones and all. To avoid those harsh tones don't shill for Microsoft or Ledger, and don't bash on ChipMixer. If you can avoid those missteps, he can be a real sweetheart. Tongue

Quote from: FatManTerra on December 06, 2022, 01:35:45 AM

Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused to anyone in the thread.

I agree with those who've said there's nothing for which you need to apologize. This forum can be a pretty harsh environment, and anyone doing business here needs to be armored with the thickest of skins. And realistically the discussion is perfectly welcome here. A lot of us have had experience with ChipMixer, and we're more than happy to engage with their detractors. It's also beneficial that you've given ChipMixer himself the opportunity to respond to your allegations by posting here. It reminds me of that old saying; there's no such thing as bad press.