Quote from: philipma1957 on December 14, 2022, 06:32:37 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on December 14, 2022, 05:43:23 PM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on December 14, 2022, 06:24:54 AM

Why are you guys saying its a trap pump? If anything this seems like insiders buying in after hearing some good news which is yet to be revealed.

The news has already been revealed. Inflation slowing down. Stock market is up. Bitcoin is up. Sadly not decoupled from that shit yet. There is no magic here.

It won't decouple until 2030 or later. It needs to be a lot bigger than 5 trillion which would mean 13 fold the current price.

Oh my!!!!

Part of your problema philip is that you don't seem to understand dee cornz very well.

Dee cornz are already decoupled - even if we have these periods of correlation, that seem to confuse people.. including but not limited to ur lil selfie.

I would think that you should know better.. but sad thing is that you do not.

You should realize that Bitcoin is already successful in the sense of both being a baby.. and still being a paradigm shifting phenomenon that is very difficult for the status quo powers that be to figure out how to attempt to manage..

and if you keep viewing bitcoin through those kinds of fiat lenses..then you are going to continue to make a lot of dumb proclamations regarding where we are at, where we came from and where we are likely going.. and so seeing where we are at is only part of the assessment.. and another part is why and how we got here..which you do not seem to understand those parts either, even though you seem to know part of it.

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 14, 2022, 06:32:37 PM

It is simple enough.

It's only simple if you are trying to look at bitcoin through fiat, which is contributing towards your ongoingly being wrong.. in the past you have been wrong, in the present you are wrong, and I am not going to proclaim to know if you will continue to be wrong in the future, even though you have a pretty strongly wrongly pattern going on. Sorry bout dat. Cry

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 14, 2022, 06:32:37 PM

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fall 2021 I bonds = over 7%

spring 2022 I bonds = over 9%

fall 2022 I bonds = close to 6.89%

Yes.. they are desperate.. and they are trying to suck you in.. which surely is partially successful in getting retail to make up for some of the governments that are trying to get away from supporting USD systems, such as China, Saudi, Russia.. and some others... but yeah.. it might still continue to work for another cycle or two.. (are we talking 4 year cycles or 12 year cycles?)...

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 14, 2022, 06:32:37 PM

These numbers hurt all crypto bigly.

No they don't. suck guys like you in. That's fine. whatever... but no need to pump that bullshit, here.

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 14, 2022, 06:32:37 PM

in 2021 over 3.3 trill in I bonds could be purchased
in 2022 over 3.3 trill in I bonds could be purchased
in 2023 over 3.3 trill in I bonds can be purchased

Yeah. they have to be purchased... Old debt has to be rolled over into new debt.. and good thing that there are suckers like you willing to buy it... if suckers like you do not buy, and other institutions and governments do not buy, then guess who is buying? The USGovt will end up buying them, and how are they going to do it? They will have to print.. .. and if production does not go up high enough, they will be printing higher than the ability continue to service and roll over that debt.. it is truly a sad state of affairs that we are in.. and you seem to not only be buying it hook line and sinker, you are promoting such strategy as if it would actually be good for people to do.. (even implying, instead of bitcoin.. which seems misinformed and lacking in understanding)

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 14, 2022, 06:32:37 PM

with proper managing you could be getting rates in the 6.89 to 9.62%. for Nov 2021 until Nov 2023

this is a huge drag on all crypto.

including BTC

Of course, you are so excited that you are repeating yourself.

I don't have problems putting some money into those things, but don't think that they are something that guys/gals should be allocating very much into or even talking about in this thread as if they were some kind of meaningful bitcoin substitute.. .and fuck shitcoins.. who gives any shit about the extent to which US bonds are competing with shitcoins.. Of course, even shitcoins are related to ways in which normies fail/refuse to get their BTC investment allocations figured out... which has to do with figuring out a budget, and then figuring how much BTC to accumulate and how to accumulate and over what period of time. Keep your eye on the prize...even if you (philip) may well already be a lost cause which continues to show itself in your ongoing lack of focus posts and promoting nonsensical distractions.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 14, 2022, 06:37:56 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 14, 2022, 06:02:32 PM

What do you think WO?

I think were going to see the bottom in the following 30 days max.
Im not convinced weve seen the bottom already either, there has not been enough blood on the streets bro, no crash-panicky-wick and no extreme FUD.
Just some salty banker statements.

Rooting for January.
Not that we care - much - yo.

Yeah.. sure. there could be another lower low in January.. but it surely is not a condition precedent that is needed in order for BTC prices to go up and for the bottom to be in.

Maybe we get a further bottom.. and maybe we don't.

Maybe such bottom is quick and a wick and maybe it is not.