Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 15, 2022, 03:24:58 AM

Maybe we get a further bottom.. and maybe we don't.

Maybe such bottom is quick and a wick and maybe it is not.

Sure, maybe the sun comes up tomorrow, or maybe it will not.
Maybe the Earth is round, or maybe it is not.

You believe that your examples are the same? You've got logical fallacy (or would it be called analogy-choosing deficiencies?) issues. No?

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

You name it, I can go on all day, but it all boils down to what each one of us believes is more likely.

Sure, when we are attempting to predict the future, it does boil down to which facts and logic we believe to be more relevant in regards to assigning probabilities, including how certain we might be about some kinds of things happening or not, and sure there are some beliefs in there too - because whenever we are talking about the future, we are referring to a variety of factors so sometimes we will admit that we do not have all the facts that we need or we might not be sure about the logic.. and also we have human behavior that has not yet been executed that we do not know it advance, even if we might place some of the human behavior into predictive categories too.. that might not exactly be knowable..

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 15, 2022, 06:38:54 AM

That is proof that you suffer mentally -

Proof you said? Pfff.

I should have said "this is poof."

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 15, 2022, 06:38:54 AM

- or unless you are a low coiner or a no coiner.

Compared to you or other OGs, sure, I might be a low coiner.

Aw shucks!

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

But kindly dont insult me by calling me a no coiner.

Why get so emotional?

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

BTW, define low coiner.

I cannot really know for sure, but maybe if you have less than what you should have in BTC in accordance with your finances and psychology measurements that you have to make. I tend to recommend an investment portfolio that is between 1% and 25% for newbies starting out, yet each person has to figure out his her proper balance.. so a low coiner would be someone who is being overly whimpy whether intentionally or accidentally.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 15, 2022, 06:38:54 AM

I know that no coiners and low coiners are "having a blast" from these recently low ("discounted") BTC prices.

Sorry to spoil your bubble here, but I did not expect to see these prices [below $20k] ever again, so yeah - I was pleasantly surprised.

Stop enjoying it... whether pleasantly or otherwise. Angry

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

Also try to remember [new patch available] that I sold only half of my coins in the last bull run, and yet Im still having blast.

Wow. That's a lot. Selling that much might well 'splain some of your good mood, currently.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

Could be, because I never cared much about money, or ever will.

Are you trying to suggest that you are on a higher plane than everyone else here?

Have you realized that we are in a thread in which we are talking about bitcoin.. which is a form of money?.. sure it has other characteristics too, but bitcoin is the topic of this thread.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 15, 2022, 06:38:54 AM

"They" decided that JJG had some chores that s/he/it had to do around the house... so JJG is just fine.. just had to do those referenced chores around the house.

Oh, Im sorry to hear that.
Low coiner me, can afford to have someone do the chores, perhaps high coiner you, should do the same, yo.

1) do you believe that it is beneficial or even desirable to delegate all things?

2) have we established that this cat happens to be a higher coiner than any other cat, including you?

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

That way you can bust our balls here 24/7. Lips sealed

In theory, that would be great.

Quote from: Cryptotourist on December 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM

Im a visual person Jay, so take a pick:
a)

b)

For what am I choosing? Are you trying to undermine OPsec of a peep? Shame on uie-pooie. Angry

Quote from: Biodom on December 15, 2022, 08:38:14 PM

Quote from: Torque on December 15, 2022, 07:17:46 PM

Here is the ultimate irony though:

Once mass layoffs being in Jan/Feb and the MSM confirms that "We are *definitely* in a recession now!", all markets (including bitcoin) will rally.

Yep, rally. Makes total sense. Tongue

my take:

btc either already bottomed or might do so by March.
Somewhere during q1 we will get a large surprise in inflation (on the downside).
Stocks would initially crash fearing deflation and interest rates being too high.
Fed will dilly dally for a month or so, then succumb and cut short term rates (Cramer would be screaming on CNBC again how "they just don't get it").
Of course, before doing so they would declare victory, alas, markets would respond to the cut with a ferocious downswing that would indicate that Fed was wrong again and raised too much.
Bottom by Q2 in equities (bitcoin flat), then a gigantic rally in "everything" with bitcoin going up at least 2-3X (from today's prices).
After that...hard to say.

AT this particular moment, it is hard to argue with that kind of a scenario... .. but now that you wrote it down, it is NOT likely to happen..

Cheesy

You shouldn't have said anything.

I am considering that we might well be in a period that might be close to bottom for fiat-related bullshit.. .. so in essence fiat is largely sideways. and bitcoin does not necessarily do bad in "fiat sideways" kinds of scenarios... so "fiat sideways" bitcoin trickling up and trickling up.. and if bitcoin trickles up too much, then that becomes problematic for no coiners, low coiners and bitcoin naysayers.. because value ends up gravitating in bitcoin's direction.. so higher levels of desperation, attacks and battles against bitcoin could be part of the messy short term.. .. but the word is still getting out.. seems to me... trickle, trickle trickle.. starts to add up after a while.. no?