Reply to suchmoon

Quote from: suchmoon on December 19, 2022, 05:26:55 PM

LTU_btc posted it as an example of a false claim, it's absurd to imply Z-support here.

By the way, the telegram post that LTU referred to has apparently already been deleted. Therefore, with your criticism, you help such channels become objective sources of information. Although the British and Ukrainian media usually do not remove their lies, even after numerous complaints.

Quote from: suchmoon on December 19, 2022, 05:26:55 PM

You post Z-links and other Russian propaganda as facts.

You publish Western propaganda as facts, without trying to think critically and without understanding the origins of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict at all.
I suggest you read a book about the OUN UPA by a Canadian professor of history and all those who believe that there is no Nazism in modern Ukraine.

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It was Simchich who gave the order and led the destruction of the Polish village of Pishten (Pistyn),
as a result of which the Bandera people massacred all its Poles, including all the elderly, women, and children.
The latter were killed in the most brutal way.

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Quote from: suchmoon on December 19, 2022, 05:26:55 PM

You also post Konashenkov's (who claims to have destroyed more bayraktars, airplanes, and HIMARS launchers than Ukraine ever had) bullshit unironically.

At least, everything is quite consistent with bayraktars. In the summer, Ukrainian sources called the number of delivered Turkish drones from 60 to 96 (~ 10-16 complexes, one complex includes 6 drones). Konashenkov in his reports announced the destruction of about 85 bayraktars.

Quote from: suchmoon on December 19, 2022, 05:26:55 PM

Then you claim that British tabloids are starting WW3.

The cause of WW3 could be the cretinism of the Ukrainian authorities, who, with the help of the Polish incident, tried to draw NATO into a full-fledged war with Russia, and the "British tabloids" provided them with information support in this. Only the full involvement of NATO can save the Zelensky regime from complete failure, even though tens of millions of people could be killed because of this.

Quote from: suchmoon on December 19, 2022, 05:26:55 PM

But if you are indeed serious about this then is seems that Putinism has caused you severe brain damage. Seek help.

I'm far from the great military analysts who seriously believe that the Russians themselves blow up their gas pipes.

Quote from: suchmoon on December 20, 2022, 04:22:38 PM

Surprisingly they don't blame Biden, perhaps that would be a bit of a stretch even for the library of amazing tales that is Russian propaganda.

American propaganda claimed that the Russian hackers helped Trump win the election a few years ago. This year, Biden said that it was Putin who was to blame for the inflation in the United States. What would you call this phenomenon? I would suggest calling it "Biden's Brain Syndrome".
And Zelenskys wife, this deceitful brute, bypassed with her lies even such a filthy creature as Lyudmila Denisova, and she lies]lies[/url] that the wives of Russian soldiers encouraged their husbands to rape Ukrainian women. I sincerely tell you, those morons who believe in this nonsense are dumber than amoeba.

Reply to LTU_btc

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 19, 2022, 11:48:32 PM

LOL, offcourse that I know that's pro-Russian channel, but where did I used it as source of information. I just showed obvious example from Russian media how they're making fake stories.

Do you think that American, European or Ukrainian media never lie, or do you have a special goal in life to expose lies only in the Russian media?

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 19, 2022, 11:48:32 PM

There was no logical reasons to think that it was Ukrainian missile.

Except for the fact that this is not the first attempt by the Zelensky to draw NATO countries into a direct conflict with Russia. The Ukrainian air defense missile flew in the opposite direction and was supposed to self-destruct and not fly into Poland. Only due to the fact that the journalists managed to photograph the fragments of the rocket in time, the Ukrainians could not accuse Russia of attacking the Poles. But the British and Canadians, on the other hand, tried very hard to blame Russia for this air strike.

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 19, 2022, 11:48:32 PM

Yeah, this one. Offcourse, I don't read her minds, but from context it looks that she was thinking that it was Russian missile. How else you would explain words ''how did you wanted''?

It is read as it is written and there is no need to invent your own version of events.

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 19, 2022, 11:48:32 PM

I'm not subscribed here channel, so, I didn't saw this posts. But actually it's not even here text, it's just repost from other channel.

Enough of the acting already, mind reader. Just admit that you are making up stories based on your own personal fantasies.

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 19, 2022, 11:48:32 PM

Where do you see manipulation on facts and where exactly is lies in my post?

Read on. It's detailed there.

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 19, 2022, 11:48:32 PM

Your fakes were debunked multiple times by me and other users. I'm a bit lazy to dig deep in past, but here is one example with Bayraktars:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60498312#msg60498312

Aren't you tired of juggling facts yet? In that post, I refer to the Ukrainian site defense-ua.com to determine how many Turkish drones were delivered to Ukraine. Ukrainian sources give an approximate number - from 60 to 96, because one bayraktar complex contains 6 of these drones. If it seemed to you that two Ukrainian users debunked something there, then you are demonstrating your ignorance in this way. Especially for people like you, a lazy reader of thoughts, I publish a quote from the Ukrainian site.

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... then most likely the Armed Forces now operate somewhere between 10-16 Bayraktar complexes TB2.

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Now look what Ukrainian user Johnny wrote. For some reason, he added to the 72 Turkish drones (which were discovered by the Russian army in April) already destroyed drones (35 units).

Quote from: johhnyUA on July 03, 2022, 02:45:11 PM

From russian words russia destroyed 35 bayraktars by March 25
Ukraine at total has 75 bayractars (by 28th of June !!! )
Russia at April discovered 72 bayraktar drones.

35 + 72 = 107
It exceed total number of ukrainian bayraktars even from future delivers (because 75 is number at 28th of June, again)

72 is the number of drones detected by the Russian army from late February to mid-April 2022. 35 drones, according to the Russian army, were destroyed in March, and these downed 35 bayraktars are part of 72 drones found in April. Therefore, when Johnny adds 35 to 72 drones, he is doing complete nonsense.

Johnny also writes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had only 75 bayraktars in June. Apparently, he forgot how to read, because it was written to him in Ukrainian and white on the Ukrainian website that from 60 to 96 drones were in Ukraine at the end of June 2022.

Further, Johnny refers to some obscure blog, calling it a "neutral source". Why is it neutral? Obviously because user Johnny called it that.

Quote from: johhnyUA on July 03, 2022, 02:45:11 PM

Of course yes, so we have a neutral source for such information.
Oryx blog

There was also the slanderer Waradlain, who came up with an amazing story about a "ready post by e-mail" on the grounds that in the post about bayraktars there was a link to the telegram channel, which I myself indicated as needing verification, and which was not the main one in my post.

Therefore, LTU_btc, before throwing accusations, first make an effort on yourself and study the situation in detail. The fact that these two Ukrainian users sang there does not in any way confirm Medusa's lies about bayraktars, which you quoted.

PS. I noticed the signature that you placed under your avatar. Do you know that this is the Nazi greeting of Ukrainian Nationalists, which were responsible for the death of tens of thousands of Jews and Poles? I didnt specifically write about Russians, it seems that you dont care when they are killed, but maybe at least your attitude towards Poles and Jews is a little better.

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"Slava Ukrainy", "Glory to Ukraine", was the greeting of the OUN, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists,
and, in 1941, that organization issued instructions that the greeting should be made with the right arm raised,
with "the fingertips a little to the right, a little above the top of the head." Similar salutes were used by the Croatian Ustashe,
the Hlynka Guard in Slovakia, the Spanish Falangists, and, of course, the Nazis.

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